gazsa401:
We ran a couple of the Leyland DAF80 series in the early 90s they were the 330Ati fitted with the 11.6 DAF engine good lorries fitted with 16spd ZF Ecosplit
I know quite a few were fitted with the Eaton twin splitter
This one that we ran had the Eaton Twin Splitter box in, It performed very well at 40 Tonnes, It was good on fuel, & was trouble free, Regards Larry.
ramone:
Carryfast:
ramone:
I`ve had a few 2800 ATIs and they were pretty gutless
Compared to the 2500 they were still flying machines.We had one at our depot which was quicker to the point where the fleet engineer took an interest in the tacho traces coming back from it.It turned out that it had been supplied from the factory with a 3300 spec motor by mistake.
I think but im not 100% sure that the 2500 was a completely different engined vehicle to the 2800 , my point was that the 95 310 was supposed to be an improvement on the the 2800 , the ones i drove certainly weren`t now the 95 350 was a different kettle of fish
your right there ramone them 310s were useless the 2800 went a lot better
tiptop495:
Hey, thanks to all for the info and pictures.
Here two pic’s of the 2600 (Jukebox) Leyland engine the P680 and DP680 with a few differnces as the main point the Bosch fuel pump.
@Robert, thanks for the pic’s too.
@ CF i agree with you that in a time of 200/250hp the better was a ZF12sp as a Fuller 9sp, but the Fuller was ways ahead of reliability, synco or non synco ZF’s.
The ZF 12sp only in synco was the only ZF box i liked, and even hated the push through with the 16 speeds, and that was what we had a time with the Fullers too with Daf 3300/ and ATI’s. The 95 was again 4 over 4.
As I am and Always was a fanatic of Multi speed boxes, my two apples of one’s eye were the RTO13 and SR61/62.
And as the more powered camions came with the best option a12 speed. Think 12 but + 2 craulers AND 2 high craulers which were obstructed were even camouflaged 16 speed boxes.
Here a pic too, which I found in a brochure, with all different designations of Fuller’s.Eric,
I can only say that the 12 speed splitter ZF constant mesh box in the 2800 ( I think also used in the 2600 ) was easily as good as a Fuller to use arguably better because as I said being all splitter was more convenient to use than the Fuller’s range change set up.If a bit less unforgiving regards engine road speed matching which is also arguably a good thing.It also seemed to be reasonably bullet proof too certainly in our case with the engine finally giving up not the box.Having been run into the ground on 8 years of tramping with our haulage division and long haul trunking with us.
On that note unless you’ve mixed them up I can’t understand any possible liking for the diabolical obstructive 12 speed synchro in the 2500. 
Which just added to the zb non existent torque output of the engine being that the box had to be used ‘‘a lot’’ to stand a chance of keeping the thing moving on the slightest hill. 
As for the synchro installation in the 85 that was about as good and as close to the light and fast nature of a constant mesh box as it probably gets and way ahead of the awful Mercedes types I drove.Which suggests that installation design is a large factor in the shift quality of synchro boxes.But I still think that both the constant mesh ZF and/or 13 speed Fuller were better and more than good enough to have been used exclusively on the 2800/95 range at least and were a perfect match for the 11.6 engine.While even the later XF would probably benefit from 18 speed Fuller being the standard fit.
Carryfast:
As for the synchro installation in the 85 that was about as good and as close to the light and fast nature of a constant mesh box as it probably gets and way ahead of the awful Mercedes types I drove.
Here here! Robert
Hey,
@CF I have no experience with 2200 tot 2700 range of Daf.
And what I know, that most used separte drive compressors to unload bluk.
With the 2800 the Fullers was introduced and they went for PTO driven compressors.
Secondhand 2800 256hp’s with ZF got fast a Fuller in it.
With the ZF’s in the XF models the problem was lukily solved and the ZF could cope with the compressors.
Of course the ZF synco 12 speed was a beauty to drive, but with a heavy driver a weak box (as they changed like with a Fuller).
And yes some hated Fuller too, because you needed a clever head and right hand to handle it. 
And if you tryed be be quick as a Fuller with a ZF non syncro, a the end you arrived with much less realability.
For me a ZF non syncro and Fuller had a complete different style to handle and the Fuller.
But back to the job, Daf engine’s.
And you can’t compare engines decades later because of the cilinder capacity.
As the first DK/A with the 95 serie.
Eric,
tiptop495:
Hey,
@CF I have no experience with 2200 tot 2700 range of Daf.
And what I know, that most used separte drive compressors to unload bluk.
With the 2800 the Fullers was introduced and they went for PTO driven compressors.
Secondhand 2800 256hp’s with ZF got fast a Fuller in it.
With the ZF’s in the XF models the problem was lukily solved and the ZF could cope with the compressors.
Of course the ZF synco 12 speed was a beauty to drive, but with a heavy driver a weak box (as they changed like with a Fuller).
And yes some hated Fuller too, because you needed a clever head and right hand to handle it.
And if you tryed be be quick as a Fuller with a ZF non syncro, a the end you arrived with much less realability.
For me a ZF non syncro and Fuller had a complete different style to handle and the Fuller.But back to the job, Daf engine’s.
And you can’t compare engines decades later because of the cilinder capacity.
As the first DK/A with the 95 serie.Eric,
Blimey titptop you’ve done it again.The ZF ‘constant mesh’ 12 speed splitter in the 2800 was ‘a beauty to drive’. 
As for the handling of ZF constant v Fuller as I said the all splitter 12 speed was more convenient to use,let alone a better match for the engine than the 9 speed Fuller in the ATI,or arguably possibly even the 13 speed Fuller again because of the need for the range change v all splitter.The only real difference being the less forgiving nature of the ZF regards engine road speed matching which might be where the confusion with ‘slower’ to shift is coming from.IE so long as the revs and road speed were spot on there really was no difference in that regard. 
As for cylinder capacity I think the bore and stroke measurement remained the same until the longer stroke XF was introduced ?.IE it is probably fair to say that the basic 680 design did have well over 300 hp development potential in it which was amazing from less than 12 litres.It’s just a shame that either Leyland didn’t have the resources of DAF to do it or they were sidetracked by the AEC/TL12.The key being that DAF probably ( rightly ) realised that it was the 680 that had the better bore/stroke combination although less overall capacity.
HEADS UP for ZB Anorak…you asked for it after numerous collisions here…
Rikki Chequer is now following our communication here and I really hope you’ll
behave more mature in the future. Diesel Dave will not help you much
Grow up and judge posts to the content and NOT the way people publish. It’s
your own decision to judge the copyright of a person (Hans Witte) and not a
company just we experience many threads ago.
As an example, there is intellectual property…on ERF nowadays it is the MAN-
concern and mind they have lawyers waiting to do the job…mind Volkswagen.
Hope you’re wise and stop your daft questions and judgements.
A-J
I am more than willing to add on DAF with or whitout the burden you judge
ERF-Continental:
HEADS UP for ZB Anorak…you asked for it after numerous collisions here…
Rikki Chequer is now following our communication here and I really hope you’ll
behave more mature in the future. Diesel Dave will not help you muchGrow up and judge posts to the content and NOT the way people publish. It’s
your own decision to judge the copyright of a person (Hans Witte) and not a
company just we experience many threads ago.As an example, there is intellectual property…on ERF nowadays it is the MAN-
concern and mind they have lawyers waiting to do the job…mind Volkswagen.Hope you’re wise and stop your daft questions and judgements.
A-J
I am more than willing to add on DAF with or whitout the burden you judge
■■■■ off ■■■■■■■■■
newmercman:
What is going on with the deleting of info?FFS if you’re a bit on the bipolar side do us all a favour and don’t bother posting stuff in the first place, as when the madness gets a grip and you delete posts it ruins the flow of the thread.
Oh and re the 85 with the 8litre engine, it would’ve been a 75.
Well moderators…brrr have no direct possibility to email so I herewith
post my message to NMM and indirectly to Diesel Dave…
NMM,
I hope you’ll stop making things worse…again you did it
and since ZB Anorak responded/judged content and copy-
right I informed Rikki Chequer via LINKEDIN and that you
all, including Diesel Dave stop with insinuations the odd
poster will like but adds NOTHING to the thread. To there
we agree and I hope you accept it in a mature way.
Keep up the good work on the thread but there are limits.
A-J
NMM,
Please response in public…and not by blocked PM!!!
Thank you.
[zb]
anorak:ERF-Continental:
HEADS UP for ZB Anorak…you asked for it after numerous collisions here…
Rikki Chequer is now following our communication here and I really hope you’ll
behave more mature in the future. Diesel Dave will not help you muchGrow up and judge posts to the content and NOT the way people publish. It’s
your own decision to judge the copyright of a person (Hans Witte) and not a
company just we experience many threads ago.As an example, there is intellectual property…on ERF nowadays it is the MAN-
concern and mind they have lawyers waiting to do the job…mind Volkswagen.Hope you’re wise and stop your daft questions and judgements.
A-J
I am more than willing to add on DAF with or whitout the burden you judge
[zb] off [zb].
Obviously a man of many words, this time without copy/paste others or claiming he has
the knowledge and documents. I’ll await the TNUK-decision!!!
And then he states he wants to leave UK in his previous posts…
FFS. This has become boring now. How can such a benign hobby attract such nutcases?
Please look in your mirror!!!
All the threads you attended and posted ‘STUFF’ ended
in slow to death… after your NUMEROUS DAFT posts!
I don’t mind when TNUK decides to ‘punish’ me not allowing
me to post or read threads, I then don’t read your brrrrrrrrrr
Nurse! Order another pallet of Ritalin, please.
What a sense of humour, your kids don’t suffer ADHD apparently?
Keep it human, I am confident you have more (content) to say or not?
Well I grant you all the pleasure and regret you never did reply in facts!!!
newmercman:
What is going on with the deleting of info?FFS if you’re a bit on the bipolar side do us all a favour and don’t bother posting stuff in the first place, as when the madness gets a grip and you delete posts it ruins the flow of the thread.
Oh and re the 85 with the 8litre engine, it would’ve been a 75.
NMM,
Show your cards…remember the picture?
I hate PMs and most when they are not readable…Diesel Dave’s, Leyland_Marathon, Newmerman,
so what are you hiding? Copy to Rikky Chequer with regards…this is not a thread but a pond!
I’ll call it a day, enough has been said and read!
What on earth are you going on about?
Look, if you want to post on trucknet then post, if you don’t then don’t, it really doesn’t matter.
I have no idea why you’re having a tantrum. If another member is annoying you then follow protocol and report them or block them, or both.
As I said your posts are informative, but if you remove them every time the wind blows I’m a different direction then it upsets the flow of the thread and that is my concern, I don’t care about any petty squabbles you may be having, real or imagined.
NWM, thank you for replying…TNUK has a long haul on policy
and I prefer to abandon this ship! Unfotunately you can’t remove
your profile over here…
What’s the big argument about on here? I didn’t know Daf engines excited people so much.
I shall refrain from commenting on mysterious Gardner engines with a bhp rating of 240 just in case I get stalked by some nutter from ■■■■■■■■
Muckaway:
What’s the big argument about on here? I didn’t know Daf engines excited people so much.
I shall refrain from commenting on mysterious Gardner engines with a bhp rating of 240 just in case I get stalked by some nutter from ■■■■■■■■
Your name is going down in “the book” no danger !!
IMHO as a former operator of many motors the DAF was crap compared to the Scania and Volvo and DAF only competed on price,we ran a number of DAF demos over the years at Bewick Transport and neither I nor the drivers that were swapped about on them rated them, in fact the odd driver on a ten year old Scania which was docked for overhaul could not wait to get back onto it and off the Poxy DAF ! I kid you not ! Cheers Bewick.
