Peter Smythe:
A spotty irk
This isn’t on your cv is it ROG
Irk - maybe 
Spotty - deffo not
ROG:
Warren T. Claim:
Another thing, have any HGV schools noticed an increase in learners wanting training to beat the deadline? And have any potential learners said they won’t bother taking a course if the can’t have a test date before mandatory CPC? I’ll bet they have!According to one training school owner that I was talking to today - NO and NO.
They expected a last minute rush but it has not happened - maybe this recession has something to do with it…
A couple of things. Firstly isn’t the min tread depth 1mm?
Secondly you can buy your way into being a CPC trainer for a grand according to another post on here. This gives serious credibility issues.
Thirdly, Rog’s answer above is very surprising. I was a bike instructor and we always had a decent bounce before one of the many changes in legislation followed by a dip afterwards. You could book your holidays around it with confidence!
Secondly you can buy your way into being a CPC trainer for a grand according to another post on here. This gives serious credibility issues
If the info supplied was factual, then you would be quite right to be worried. But it’s not, so don’t. This is what happens when stuff is taken out of context.
Warren T. Claim:
Firstly isn’t the min tread depth 1mm?
Spot on - covering at least 75% across and around the whole circumference 
Warren T. Claim:
Rog’s answer above is very surprising.
Was there a recession on when you had your experience of a rule change 
Warren T. Claim:
you can buy your way into being a CPC trainer for a grand according to another post on here
You can go on a train the trainer course that’s about £1,000 which may give creedance but my guess is that most of the trainers will just need to show experience to be qualified as stated on the JAUPT site.
Warren T. Claim:
ROG:
Warren T. Claim:
Another thing, have any HGV schools noticed an increase in learners wanting training to beat the deadline? And have any potential learners said they won’t bother taking a course if the can’t have a test date before mandatory CPC? I’ll bet they have!According to one training school owner that I was talking to today - NO and NO.
They expected a last minute rush but it has not happened - maybe this recession has something to do with it…A couple of things. Firstly isn’t the min tread depth 1mm?
Secondly you can buy your way into being a CPC trainer for a grand according to another post on here. This gives serious credibility issues.
Thirdly, Rog’s answer above is very surprising. I was a bike instructor and we always had a decent bounce before one of the many changes in legislation followed by a dip afterwards. You could book your holidays around it with confidence!
First question correct
Second question- only if you believe the sales pitch
Third question- well that’s Rog
Dusty321:
Oh jeez… to cut a very long day short it started with a group introduction, you all sit in the training room and ask the person to your left question about them, then stand up and talk about that person for 2 minutes to the group.The bloke to the left of me is putting me off with his snoring, he muttered something about working for a good boss and then said training, zzzzzzzzzz, who me? what , eh?
Then comes a section about your company, their aims and visions for the future etc etc…
The company are the best in the industry, they told me to say that if I wanted to keep my job and see my wife again
Then your group (3x5 people) are given a laminated diagram of a bus with 15 (I think) bullet points such as bus exterior, tyres, lights etc you are required to select 2 of the 15 and identify possible vehicle faults… Something like:- Exterior Please identify 9 possible faults or Tyres Please identify 4 possible faults and so on. Then 2 from the group are required to stand up and both explain to the whole group what possible faults could be found and why they were chosen…
The nut behind the steering wheel is loose, the brakes are shot as I keep missing bus stops. The tyres are all flat, there that is 6 faults.
Then, a video section on customer care and how to deal with drunk customers roll play for around an hour.
You cant come on here, you are drunk!. I know, you are my best mate you are, did you know you woz my pal
Then, drink drive law. How much can a driver drink the night before his shift. This is another group activity. 45 mins or so
The practical test sounds like fun, I have a litre bottle of vodka in my bag
What to do and how to help disabled customers. What to say and what not to say to them…
Careful four eyes, watch that step and don’t trip over old peg leg as you hobble up the bus
Daily workaround checks. Many vids…
Them tyres are still flat, my fuel guage is not working and the bus stop is missing
Speeding and the potential for fatal consequences. 5 vids and around 1/1.2 hours…
Speed Kills, so does boredom
A 15 minute crossword connected with road safety, the company and customer care…
Anagram - sloblock
“Eco Driving” How to reduce company vehicle wear, fuel costs and saving the environment
many vids…2 hours or so
Stay in the depot, leave bus driving alone
Lastly, a vid with our company blowing its own trumpet… How we support our local community, dedicated to our customers, providing the best possible service yada yada yada…
We are ze best in zie world
Thats about it from memory Rog
Sorry if am a non believer in this sloblock (clue to anagram)
Warren T. Claim:
Rog’s answer above is very surprising.
Was there a recession on when you had your experience of a rule change 
To answer that well major changes have happened this year, so yes! Other major changes happened in 1988ish with the end of the “Frank Spencer” test also the introduction of compulsory theory tests for people with car licences in 1997 made an impact. Did LGV instructors have a rush of theory test applications just before the introduction of the Hazard Perception test?
Wheel Nut:
Dusty321:
Oh jeez… to cut a very long day short it started with a group introduction, you all sit in the training room and ask the person to your left question about them, then stand up and talk about that person for 2 minutes to the group.The bloke to the left of me is putting me off with his snoring, he muttered something about working for a good boss and then said training, zzzzzzzzzz, who me? what , eh?
Then comes a section about your company, their aims and visions for the future etc etc…
The company are the best in the industry, they told me to say that if I wanted to keep my job and see my wife again
Then your group (3x5 people) are given a laminated diagram of a bus with 15 (I think) bullet points such as bus exterior, tyres, lights etc you are required to select 2 of the 15 and identify possible vehicle faults… Something like:- Exterior Please identify 9 possible faults or Tyres Please identify 4 possible faults and so on. Then 2 from the group are required to stand up and both explain to the whole group what possible faults could be found and why they were chosen…
The nut behind the steering wheel is loose, the brakes are shot as I keep missing bus stops. The tyres are all flat, there that is 6 faults.
Then, a video section on customer care and how to deal with drunk customers roll play for around an hour.
You cant come on here, you are drunk!. I know, you are my best mate you are, did you know you woz my pal
Then, drink drive law. How much can a driver drink the night before his shift. This is another group activity. 45 mins or so
The practical test sounds like fun, I have a litre bottle of vodka in my bag
What to do and how to help disabled customers. What to say and what not to say to them…
Careful four eyes, watch that step and don’t trip over old peg leg as you hobble up the bus
Daily workaround checks. Many vids…
Them tyres are still flat, my fuel guage is not working and the bus stop is missing
Speeding and the potential for fatal consequences. 5 vids and around 1/1.2 hours…
Speed Kills, so does boredom
A 15 minute crossword connected with road safety, the company and customer care…
Anagram - sloblock
“Eco Driving” How to reduce company vehicle wear, fuel costs and saving the environment
Stay in the depot, leave bus driving alone
Lastly, a vid with our company blowing its own trumpet… How we support our local community, dedicated to our customers, providing the best possible service yada yada yada…
We are ze best in zie world
Thats about it from memory Rog
Sorry if am a non believer in this sloblock (clue to anagram)
If that is the experience- then fair comment.
Not all courses are this bad I guarantee
Fortunately full licence holders have the luxury to wait a couple of years for the CPC chancers and opportunists to move on to something else, and no, I am not implying that the trainers on here have anything but honourable intentions.
I am wondering how many people on here will go with a CPC trainer just because they advertise over the urinals in a MSA? I just strikes me as being just a bit dodgy. I don’t think anywhere on their ad mentions having until 2014 and they imply that ALL PCV drivers have had the training already.
Warren T. Claim:
Fortunately full licence holders have the luxury to wait a couple of years for the CPC chancers and opportunists to move on to something else, and no, I am not implying that the trainers on here have anything but honourable intentions.
I am wondering how many people on here will go with a CPC trainer just because they advertise over the urinals in a MSA? I just strikes me as being just a bit dodgy. I don’t think anywhere on their ad mentions having until 2014 and they imply that ALL PCV drivers have had the training already.
it’s the same as the “be a CPC trainer for only £1000” 
you are absolutely right some of us run very honest respectable businesses- I have no issue with anyone coming to my premises and seeing who I am and what I can do for them.
You have summed it up- my views are given in the first line of my profile write up
chevmac:
Peter Smythe:
I’d say that the tutor seems (to me) to have had a problem adapting to the audience. IMHO, that’s a sure-fire way of irritating the learners right from the ‘off.’
Don’t tar us all with the same brush. Our feedback forms demonstrate well over 90% satisfaction. Given that the majority of these drivers came into the room with the attitude that they already knew it all, I don’t think that’s bad
Incidentally, one of the subjects that comes up is the “walk round check”. For literally weeks, no EXPERIENCED bus or coach driver could tell me, accurately, what they were checking on the tyres. It took a driver who I’d trained a few months earlier to give us the correct answer. Given that PCV drivers receive, on the whole, the same training as their LGV counterparts, I’m ready for the same from truck drivers.
Drivers hours/tachos: never has a course been run without someone offering their version of the rules. Look around this site and it’s clear that drivers have got all sorts of problems on this subject alone.
The driver cpc is designed to address this; what’s wrong with that??
Fully agree with what Peter has said- and YES I am “another trainer”
No one is trying to tell experienced drivers how to do their job- far from it we are actually trying to help you make it easier by giving you the latest info on a variety of subjects.
I ran a course all last week for PCV drivers and they were a really good bunch- but for example not 1 out of 11 people knew the minimun tread depth for a tyre(including the fitter and 2 bosses)- we all can learn something(even the trainers). I always learn something from someone on a course and hope to use this to help others.
We have to do it- people don’t necessarily agree with it but please guys get involved and you will help to make the course much more bearable for everyone.
I agree with both of the above…if people come on a course with an open mind they will not only learn something new but will also enjoy it.
Many years ago I got a phone call from the national sales manager saying he was going out with me the next day, I was one of the top salesmen in the country, and I was young, (for those who know me yes I was young once and no we didn’t have horse and carts) I didn’t like this guy much and thought he can’t teach me any thing and I don’t want him with me. So I planned a crap day that was busy with some of the worst customers on my books, I thought to make the best of a bad day I will try to keep an open mind after all it was only one day.
The first call was a miserable B****d my boss said I will do this one so in we went, I introduced Brian as my new collegue and sort of sat back, we walked out of there with the biggest order he had ever placed.
Brian said whats next? I said a cup of coffee, while I apologise and eat humble pie, I told him I didn’t rate him, I told him I didn’t want to be with him that day, (what a way to resign) I then said I had learnt so much in that first call would he mind doing the morning and watch me in the afternoon to put me right. To cut a long story short we had a great day and are still mates near 40 years later, had I not started the day with an open mind I could have missed so much.
it’s the same as the “be a CPC trainer for only £1000”
you are absolutely right some of us run very honest respectable businesses- I have no issue with anyone coming to my premises and seeing who I am and what I can do for them.
You have summed it up- my views are given in the first line of my profile write up
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Just looked at your profile and website and your prices are pretty competitive! It’s just this industry seems to be geared in favour of dishonest parasites who seem to get away with it. Do an ebay search on “transport manager” if you don’t believe me. These people use all sorts of appeals and legal waivers to continue trading and always pop up under a different name when the heat dies down.