Why are we told to keep a print out with a description of the reason for the infringement for 28 days after that we can dispose of them?
Switch when I said tiny chip I mean the size of a small nail head.
NewLad:
Why are we told to keep a print out with a description of the reason for the infringement for 28 days after that we can dispose of them?Switch when I said tiny chip I mean the size of a small nail head.
You can dispose of your copy but the copy given to your operator will be kept for … a year I think
NewLad:
Why are we told to keep a print out with a description of the reason for the infringement for 28 days after that we can dispose of them?
If you mean printouts that are done for legally required manual entries, such as to explain going over your hours, you cannot dispose of them, they should be kept for 28 days then handed to the operator just like charts are.
You can only legally bin them if you’ve done two printouts and handed one in to the operator, you can then bin the one you’ve kept after 28 days.
You have to keep them for 28 days in case you get stopped for a spot check.
Drive properly and it shouldn’t make any difference how long it’s kept 
In this day and age and with drivers moaning about just in time deliveries etc drive according to the law (whether you like it or not) and you can’t go wrong Employers need a wake up call and it’s up to drivers to give it them… 
tin hat ready
dri-diddly-iver:
Drive properly and it shouldn’t make any difference how long it’s keptIn this day and age and with drivers moaning about just in time deliveries etc drive according to the law (whether you like it or not) and you can’t go wrong
tin hat ready
+1
tachograph:
NewLad:
I was told similar by our Tacho analyst at work, he said it holds 28 driving days and then starts to go over the old stuff.To be fair I can’t see how they can hold massive amounts of data.
The easy way to check how far back the stored card data goes is to go to “Display driver 1” on the tachograph and see what date you can go back to, you’ll generally find you can read records from the card going back several months.
I went back to march last year with my card today.
but the guy you had ‘training’ you needs to be reported to JAUPT before some poor sod belives any other crap he says and possibly gets busted for it.
I wonder if anyone has acted on this advice? My thoughts are that this particular point is very basic and anyone purporting to be able to deliver training on the subject should be well aware of it. My next thought is that it is this sort of occurrence that blights the reputation of driver cpc even before it’s had a chance to get a decent rep! So please, get it reported. JAUPT are showing more and more interest in improving standards and they will hopefully act on this.
My final thought is that it’s an arrogant person who says they know everything about the subject. It’s a trap I would never fall into. I’m not afraid to ask for time to answer a question whilst I get advice. As I result I keep my credibility and drivers respect the fact I don’t pretend to know it all.
We did, however, have a driver the other day who insisted that the police no longer issue “producers”. Despite a call to the local nick to confirm that they do, he still wouldn’t be told. So it’s a bit of a two way thing sometimes.
Pete 
Peter Smythe:
We did, however, have a driver the other day who insisted that the police no longer issue “producers”. Despite a call to the local nick to confirm that they do, he still wouldn’t be told. So it’s a bit of a two way thing sometimes.Pete
We had a driver on one course who had been using the wrong mode symbols on analogue tacho’s for years. He was adamant that the square with a diagonal line through it was’ Other Work’ & crossed hammers was for ‘when you’re hanging about’!!! He wouldn’t be told - even when he was shown by trainer in black & white!!! Also a guy took his 45 minutes break on hard shoulder of M25 & couldn’t see a problem with it!!! His mates soon put him right on this one though!!! (different DCPC course btw!!)
Anybody else witnessed driver’s who have completely got the wrong info. or single-mindedly won’t be told/accept the correct way or rule■■?
As was mentioned earlier, the card has a limited amount of storage (no idea how much, but probably minimal to keep costs down). They work on a First in First out principle with regards to data. It records driving time, obviously, and mode changes and overspeeds, but not nearly as detailed as a paper tacho. The only time it records very detailed data is when there is a drastic change in speed e.g. when breaking harshly or coming to a stop rapidly because you have had a collision.
I don’t know how much data they store, but I went over my driving hours by 1 and a half hours once (I know that’s bad, but save it for another thread). 2 months later I got tugged by vosa. As he took my card and paper tachos away all I could think about was saying goodbye to all the money I had managed to save up over the last year. To my surprise and relief, he came back saying everything was in order.
dri-diddly-iver:
Drive properly and it shouldn’t make any difference how long it’s keptIn this day and age and with drivers moaning about just in time deliveries etc drive according to the law (whether you like it or not) and you can’t go wrong
tin hat ready
+1
Daz1970:
Peter Smythe:
We did, however, have a driver the other day who insisted that the police no longer issue “producers”. Despite a call to the local nick to confirm that they do, he still wouldn’t be told. So it’s a bit of a two way thing sometimes.Pete
We had a driver on one course who had been using the wrong mode symbols on analogue tacho’s for years. He was adamant that the square with a diagonal line through it was’ Other Work’ & crossed hammers was for ‘when you’re hanging about’!!! He wouldn’t be told - even when he was shown by trainer in black & white!!! Also a guy took his 45 minutes break on hard shoulder of M25 & couldn’t see a problem with it!!! His mates soon put him right on this one though!!! (different DCPC course btw!!)
Anybody else witnessed driver’s who have completely got the wrong info. or single-mindedly won’t be told/accept the correct way or rule■■?
He would have been right a few years ago,the square box was for other work,and crossed hammers wasnt used .
When the powers that be realised the lorry drivers are required to work more than an average of 48 hours,the introduced the dreaded P.O.A,and decided to use the square box for this and the “spare” crossed hammers for other work…that is just my recollection
He would have been right a few years ago,the square box was for other work,and crossed hammers wasnt used .
When the powers that be realised the lorry drivers are required to work more than an average of 48 hours,the introduced the dreaded P.O.A,and decided to use the square box for this and the “spare” crossed hammers for other work…that is just my recollection
Yes, that is exactly what the driver said…I had never come across this, since tacho’s were introduced. I would have thought the crossed hammers always stood for ‘Other Work’. I could be wrong though, maybe the driver was right in years gone by then■■?
mucker85:
My understanding is the digi card holds a minimum of a certain number of mode changes worked out on an average of 93 changes per day.
^^^^ This (or thereabouts).
If you can make enough legit mode changes in a day, then you could probably store less than 28 days. But it’s nigh on impossible to do in practice. With very few mode changes in a day + part time work, the card will hold info going back many, many months, even years.
macplaxton:
mucker85:
My understanding is the digi card holds a minimum of a certain number of mode changes worked out on an average of 93 changes per day.^^^^ This (or thereabouts).
If you can make enough legit mode changes in a day, then you could probably store less than 28 days. But it’s nigh on impossible to do in practice. With very few mode changes in a day + part time work, the card will hold info going back many, many months, even years.
It’s not really got a great deal to do with mode changes tbh, yes, they do have an impact of course, but the greatest impact on the length of data remaining on the card is the number of “activities”, so for example a town centre multi drop driver constantly stopping and starting will eat up far more data space than a guy setting off from Aberdeen to Plymouth who (traffic permitting) will probably have less than 10 different activities in that day.
I think it was Coffeeholic who years ago posted the number of activities/events that a digi card will store, but I can’t for the life of me remember the exact number.
Maybe that info has been overwritten! 
the maoster:
I think it was Coffeeholic who years ago posted the number of activities/events that a digi card will store, but I can’t for the life of me remember the exact number.
It was geebee45 and the number was an average of 93 activity changes per day
tachograph:
the maoster:
I think it was Coffeeholic who years ago posted the number of activities/events that a digi card will store, but I can’t for the life of me remember the exact number.It was geebee45 and the number was an average of 93 activity changes per day
I stand corrected Sir.
Ki n DCPC trainers. You’ll be surprised what your card holds . National insurance number. Bank account details. Inside leg measurement not to mention what I had for tea last Thursday
I can call up and print dates over 3years ago. It purely depends on the amount of bites used in the shift to how much space is used . Remembering a card needs to hold 28 + days az you can’t always download as you may be overseas
Activities, mode schmodes. It’s all ch-ch-ch-ch-changes in what you’re doing. I just worded it badly 
It wouldnt be the first time a cpc trainer got something wrong
Mine wasnt aware of the Initial cpc qualification, he couldnt work out how i had my DQC card without having done anything towards the 35 hours
These are experts in their field