robroy:
Loving the way some of you want to make the CPC much harder
I was talking about the actual driving test.
The cpc is a load of ■■■■■■■■…all its given us,is drivers that know how to do manual entries…but still can’t drive.
Ok,.sorry I stand corrected.
And I fully agree with your last point.
On other threads guys have suggested making the CPC harder with exams etc, it will not make a ■■■■ of difference.
A lot of good drivers I know ain’t too academic, so they would more than likely fail the exam,.and the kings of theory with no driving ability would pass…so what would the point of that be.
As I (and you) said, start at grass roots level on new drivers, at the same time concentrate on clamping down on the crappists…
Discipline the non ability d/heads who hit bridges,.and drive the way they do with fines bans and te.tests…and watch the industry get back to how it once was in terms of driver attitude.and ability.
I agree the DCPC is flawed and does not help all drivers. I only went through it once and as I said it wasn’t too bad. To me the main problem that’s always been around although a lot worse now is the standard of driving. I have always said the HGV/LGV test is far too easy (I’m consistent rob) and also badly required are assessments to prove you have the required skills to drive safely.
Yes I know some will only drive like that when being assessed but the real bad ones or the ones full of bad habits will not sneak through. But these assessments should be carried out every 3 to 5 years minimum. If the candidate cannot pass then they should have more training till they pass.
As was said there should be a long period of training to teach the driver to drive a truck in all circumstances but to do that you need properly qualified trainers and that is another problem.
There are too many not up to the job. I do agree however being a lorry driver before moving onto training works far better than someone who has never driven a truck.
Anyway as rob says it will never happen. Money more important than lives again.
I think that a major part of the problem is that the driving schools have nothing to do with the haulage industry. A new pass emerges with no clue as how you make a truck pay for itself. New passes bleat about not getting their first start or foot in the door. They just don’t realize that they have paid to drive a truck which is chalk and cheese from being paid to drive a truck. The training schools should have a working relationship with hauliers so that new folk can get out driving with an employed trainer driver. Then the new pass will have some relevant experience.
Let’s not fool ourselves here. It ain’t just new passes that are the problem. The problem is widespread regarding poor driving in all classes. In a lot of cases the new passes are less likely to have developed bad driving habits but obviously lack experience.
All drivers (old and new) need a periodic check to maintain a certain standard. End of.
m.a.n rules:
The whole thing needs refreshing and made more relevant. IE Assessment drives and practical loading etc but has to be someone that knows the score 100% or it never will work.
NO, the whole thing needs binning… END OF…
They were exploring the idea of replacing it with a pass/fail exam which would take maybe a couple of hours. I don’t know what came of this, if anything.
jakethesnake:
Let’s not fool ourselves here. It ain’t just new passes that are the problem. The problem is widespread regarding poor driving in all classes. In a lot of cases the new passes are less likely to have developed bad driving habits but obviously lack experience.
All drivers (old and new) need a periodic check to maintain a certain standard. End of.
No not all new passes are bad, but as I keep saying, that is where it all started and has continued to do so since (as somebody else said,) the virtual elimination of different skill sets once needed from driving a car to a truck,.that are no longer needed.
As I said the criteria is at fault, resulting in guys with licences that are not fit for purpose .
That is why I said sort out some proper training how to be a driver…Not how to pass a test. then the b/s you have to do every 5 years
Then concentrate on those who have not improved over the last 10 years as a result of that poor training, and especially those who will never be truck drivers…aka the car drivers with Class 1s.
You mention those who have developed bad habits, but I still do not think that the likes of me not driving with my hands at 10 to 2, or similar, are the problem tbh, all the assessments and refreshers in the world ain’t gonna make a difference, concentrate on the root and the consequences of the problem first !
I did my cpc with the forum’s luke his was really good his pricing is a bit hit and miss online as it varies from £49 to £40 and he does the same topic for the whole week but i can vouch him for plus why not help a local fella out
jakethesnake:
Let’s not fool ourselves here. It ain’t just new passes that are the problem. The problem is widespread regarding poor driving in all classes. In a lot of cases the new passes are less likely to have developed bad driving habits but obviously lack experience.
All drivers (old and new) need a periodic check to maintain a certain standard. End of.
No not all new passes are bad, but as I keep saying, that is where it all started and has continued to do so since (as somebody else said,) the virtual elimination of different skill sets once needed from driving a car to a truck,.that are no longer needed.
As I said the criteria is at fault, resulting in guys with licences that are not fit for purpose .
That is why I said sort out some proper training how to be a driver…Not how to pass a test. then the b/s you have to do every 5 years
Then concentrate on those who have not improved over the last 10 years as a result of that poor training, and especially those who will never be truck drivers…aka the car drivers with Class 1s.
You mention those who have developed bad habits, but I still do not think that the likes of me not driving with my hands at 10 to 2, or similar, are the problem tbh, all the assessments and refreshers in the world ain’t gonna make a difference, concentrate on the root and the consequences of the problem first !
Totally agree the criteria is at fault, I was involved in HGV training when there was time allowed to train driver to a decent standard. Not all reached a decent standard but the biggest majority fluked a test pass. I was still involved when the system changed from training a driver to drive a truck to training them to pass the test which obviously cut the training hours down and saved money all round. Not the best idea but think back to when you did your training, I assume much the same as myself, probably 10 days training with the test on the 10th day.
Was that enough to show you or I how to drive a truck? No, we learnt as we went along after passing. Did we accumulate bad driving habits? I certainly did but I know where my faults are and I have enough self control to overcome them.(Patience) Unfortunately some drivers pass their test, think they know it all and drive like lunatics without probably even realising the dangers.
Regarding your last line about bad habits, I ain’t talking about position of hands on wheel or having a sip of coffee. I am talking about not driving safely and having no regard for others safety.
I have recently done a few trips from south to north of the Uk and as usual see some appalling driving from cars trucks and coaches. Next time you see a d/head a few feet from a cars bumper look up or across in your case and I can assure you they ain’t all youngsters. Not many leave room for error these days. And there’s no excuse for that in my book.
Had email enterprise are offering courses at £39 each. Sounds cheap to me can’t remember what paid last time for mine.
Plus you can stagger it over 2 evenings a week
Altough be doing mine in a classroom hopefully.
As only have a galaxy tablet no idea if that’s ok to use.
Plus imgine be more boring sat at home staring at a screen
edd1974:
Had email enterprise are offering courses at £39 each. Sounds cheap to me can’t remember what paid last time for mine.
Plus you can stagger it over 2 evenings a week
Altough be doing mine in a classroom hopefully.
As only have a galaxy tablet no idea if that’s ok to use.
Plus imgine be more boring sat at home staring at a screen
Are these on line courses interactive,.where you have to show some sort of response?
Or is it ok as long as you are seen staring (gormlessly ) at the screen?
Only way to get around it is set your tablet in front of your tv,…earpiece in and watch Netflix at the same time going through the motions of actually looking interested…
You’re welcome.
I’m.assuming the former over the latter.btw
robroy:
2…on another subject, .He matter of factly said… ‘Nobody today who drives a truck uses a car sat nav.
I said ‘Wrong,.I do and have never owned a truck sat nav,.and never needed nor wanted one’’
He looked at me like I had ■■■■■■ in his kitchen,.and told me it was totally illegal,.and that I would get done for it.
Again I called ■■■■■■■■ on it.
Comments?
I think…
We’ve found the originator of ‘it’s £10 for every turn of the winding legs’ mate.
On a relevant Driver CPC I ran the other day I pointed out I simply used Google Maps on my phone for last decade of my career.
TruckDriverBen:
I did my cpc with the forum’s luke his was really good his pricing is a bit hit and miss online as it varies from £49 to £40 and he does the same topic for the whole week but i can vouch him for plus why not help a local fella out
Why thank you! Glad you enjoyed it. Currently £46.99 per 7 hours fees included. Occasionally do deals when had cancellations and also do block booking offer. Do 7 hours across two evenings during week then 6am and 2pm Saturdays and 10am Sundays. Getting loads of great feedback which is always great to hear. I’m very passionate about providing interesting and informative courses.
and also badly required are assessments to prove you have the required skills to drive safely.
