The form does say claiming tax relief, but this form covers full reimbursment for essential training. P87 (PDF, 66KB) inland revenue website
skoowif:
The form does say claiming tax relief, but this form covers full reimbursment for essential training. P87 (PDF, 66KB) inland revenue website
What on earth makes you think that HMRC (i.e. The Taxman/Inland Revenue) will reimburse you the full cost of your essential training (or indeed any other training or expenses)?
skoowif:
The form does say claiming tax relief, but this form covers full reimbursment for essential training. P87 (PDF, 66KB) inland revenue website
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The form does not cover full reimbursement.
It is for tax relief = it relieves you from paying tax on the money that you spend.
For most people that is 20 pence in the pound tax relief.
For those on approx 40+ grand it is 40p tax relief.
For those on over approx 160 grand it is 45p tax relief.
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So, am I to understand that you fill one of the forms out, send it back to HMRC, and they adjust your tax code for the same year you’re in now, and you’ll pay that amount less as taxable pay?
Do they increase 950L to say, 990L for a £400 claim, or is it more than that? (more than a 20p/£ rebate?)
Winseer:
So, am I to understand that you fill one of the forms out, send it back to HMRC, and they adjust your tax code for the same year you’re in now, and you’ll pay that amount less as taxable pay?Do they increase 950L to say, 990L for a £400 claim, or is it more than that? (more than a 20p/£ rebate?)
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This thread was started with reference to Tax Relief for the DriverCPC.
You have complicated the issue slightly, by introducing ADR and Moffat training.
I am not sure that HMRC would accept that ADR and Moffet training is “used by the driver wholly, exclusively and necessarily in performing his or her driving duties.” (On the grounds that you can still be a lorry driver without being ADR & Moffet qualified.)
My advice would be to seek advice from HMRC.
For DriverCPC, they would increase your tax code as you have outlined above. If it was for a previous tax year they could transfer a refund direct to your bank account.
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There may be tax relief for expenses, However, You are refunded 100% for ALL career advancement costs.
I know this as it was me that first posted about P87 on here and the trouble i went through to get my rebate and subsequent rebates.
It appears that regular tax relief items are now dealt with with a new tax code to simplify things. But anything that you need to keep yourself employable is a 100% rebate. eg: licence renewal, medical, training, passport etc. But day to day expenses like mileage allowance are tax relief items.
skoowif:
The form does say claiming tax relief, but this form covers full reimbursment for essential training. P87 (PDF, 66KB) inland revenue website
The form for PAYE that you are referring to is here: Claim tax relief for your job expenses: Overview - GOV.UK and no it is not ‘full reimbursement’, it is tax relief on whatever you have paid out so as has been mentioned, you essentially get back 20% of the cost (for basic rate tax payers) by a reduction in next year’s tax bill, either through a code adjustment or a refund, depending on the amount.
skoowif:
Tell me where I have said dCPC is a level 3 qualification.
It was the way I read it, the phrasing is somewhat ambiguous by referring to ‘level 3’ specifically.
If they change your tax code remember to get it changed back the following year or you will end up owing them might be best just to get a cheque from them.
Dieseldoforme:
Winseer:
So, am I to understand that you fill one of the forms out, send it back to HMRC, and they adjust your tax code for the same year you’re in now, and you’ll pay that amount less as taxable pay?Do they increase 950L to say, 990L for a £400 claim, or is it more than that? (more than a 20p/£ rebate?)
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This thread was started with reference to Tax Relief for the DriverCPC.You have complicated the issue slightly, by introducing ADR and Moffat training.
I am not sure that HMRC would accept that ADR and Moffet training is “used by the driver wholly, exclusively and necessarily in performing his or her driving duties.” (On the grounds that you can still be a lorry driver without being ADR & Moffet qualified.)
My advice would be to seek advice from HMRC.
For DriverCPC, they would increase your tax code as you have outlined above. If it was for a previous tax year they could transfer a refund direct to your bank account.
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I am not meaning to complicate it. I have to do 35 hours of DCPC credit, and I have no intention of being taught 7 hours on “how to pick my own nose”, another 7 hours on HIAB (pay cut if I do this!) and “how to fill in tachos” etc etc.
If I HAVE to do DCPC, then I want a qualification out of it that betters myself and furthers my career in trucking. 
The notion I put forward here is that ANYTHING that counts as “dcpc credit hours” is “training compulsary to take in the continuing of your career and day to day job”.
If I refuse to do what I have suggested above, I WILL have my rights to drive a truck taken away in September 2014 will I not?
They’ve already proven that it doesn’t matter if you’re taught "how to clean the toilets, how to backchat a manager, and how not to wear your hi-viz inside out" and all the other absurd modules out there… 
I’m resigned to having to pay for it myself, but I want to limit the damage as much as I can. I cannot refuse to do it on the basis I don’t want to spend that money, as I’ll just have my driving entitlement taken away - clean licence effectively lost before some other creep with 9 points who got his blue card paid for by his firm… 
HMRC have already told me “claim it through the payroll company at the agency”, which payroll have refused to do, but at the same time insist upon me supplying meal receipts at random, which is NOT a HMRC requirement (HMRC tell me themselves), and in fact a complete pain in the arse to me having to dig over old bits of paper weeks after the event most of the time… 