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The law of supply and demand would be more pronounced with an hourly pay structure. At the moment a company can pay 45cpm and it will look more attractive to one that pays only 35cpm, but it is entirely possible to earn more money at the 35cpm company if you run more miles.

Hourly pay would all be within a few $ph of each other, the extremes would not exist as much, if at all. This would switch things like ensuring that the vehicle gets a set amount of miles (break even plus profits) back to the operator, which is where it should be and not the present situation where the carrier doesn’t have to worry too much, so they lose the odd day here and there, who cares, the driver will make up for their incompetence as they have to achieve a specific amount of miles to pay their bills :unamused:

newmercman:
The law of supply and demand would be more pronounced with an hourly pay structure. At the moment a company can pay 45cpm and it will look more attractive to one that pays only 35cpm, but it is entirely possible to earn more money at the 35cpm company if you run more miles.

Hourly pay would all be within a few $ph of each other, the extremes would not exist as much, if at all. This would switch things like ensuring that the vehicle gets a set amount of miles (break even plus profits) back to the operator, which is where it should be and not the present situation where the carrier doesn’t have to worry too much, so they lose the odd day here and there, who cares, the driver will make up for their incompetence as they have to achieve a specific amount of miles to pay their bills :unamused:

Very well put.

I’m currently on 34cpm and actually earn more in this job than I have in any of my previous jobs, all offering a higher cents per mile rate. The reason for this is that firstly I’m on dry vans now, not the dreaded reefers that get treated like mobile storage units at every tip and collection you go to and secondly that my company do genuinely try to get us moving as quickly as possible.

When I first came to Canada and did reefer work it would be the norm to sit at the yard all day (I lived in my truck) and report for duty at 8am, to be told to come back at 11, to be told to come back at 3 to be told that a trailer would be arriving at 5pm for an 8am delivery the next morning 1000km away in New Jersey. It’d then usually arrive at 8pm with one of their redneck Canada only drivers who don’t give a ■■■■ about getting it back quickly or scaling the load because they’re not the one taking it. Then would ensue the malark of scaling it, to find out it was either over gross or so badly loaded that it couldn’t be rectified by sliding the axles so I’d have to go back to our yard, about 20 miles from the truck stop with the scale and re-work the whole bloody thing (this is all for free by the way) and then try and get down to NJ for the morning. If I made it on time I’m be rewarded by being sat on a door for 6 hours while they took a pallet off every 20 minutes or so. If I was late (how dare I?!) then I’d be punished and made to wait in a corner of their yard until they decided to take me, and then spend 6 hours on the door, again earning nothing at all. So no Mr Carryfast, we wouldn’t earn the same thing regardless, if we were on hourly pay or a day rate we’d work our time out, which on reefer work would often mean sitting on our arse while salaried idiots in warehouses unloaded us, then we’d park up for our 10 hours off, rather than under the status-quo where we then drive all night to make up for other peoples poor planning, incompetence and complete lack or work ethic to make back the money we didn’t make all day despite being awake, on duty and getting paid by the mile. 40cpm x 0 miles = Nothing.

Wind forward to my current job. This is my lowest paid job when taking in to account my cents per mile rate, yet I earn more, often considerably more. I hook up to a trailer that’s waiting in the yard, being dry van work they have often being sitting there for days, sometimes a week or more as the deadlines for delivery or so relaxed. I then drive completely legally to my destination with a load that hardly ever even needs to be weighed and unlike the east coast reefer triangle, I’m usually going further afield, Georgia being a common destination, or Indiana, Wisconsin etc and sometimes out west to the likes of Idaho or Oregon. When I get to my delivery, usually no appointment time, just a day (I’m often asked when " I " want to deliver it), I back right on to a door and within 30-60 minutes I’m empty and there’s usually a reload right away or at worst the next morning 200 miles away to go right back to the Maritimes. If I need a reset before getting back then I have one and that’s all there is to it. I’m earning more, I’m running 98% legal and the only time I fudge the book is to get home or to a suitable parking place and even then its usually only 15-30 minutes here and there, unlike on reefers where we’re talking 8 hours here and there. I’m still subject to the same risks as anyone else, I’m on milleage pay so if I don’t move then I don’t earn, but for a Canadian job, especially a Maritimes job I’m not doing too badly because down time is so minimal. Its a bit quite at the moment but I’m not that bothered because its leading to more home time, rather than sitting around in truck stops on no wages at the other end.

I’ve been reading a lot about moving to Canada and what others that have done it have to say about their experiences.
I read a lot of horror stories.
If I was making the move I would make sure I have a proper contract signed before I make the move and not rely on promisses made over the phone or even face to face by some recruiters or representatives of the company I would be planning to work for.
I would need to have a proper emplyment contract signed with the Canadian company signed by HR department which would clearly state conditions such as:

  1. What is my pay per mile
  2. What is my pay for the time I’m away and waiting for a load
  3. What’s my pay for loading and unloading
  4. What’s is the minimum guaranteed mileage I will be getting paid for every fortnight or every month ( even if I do get as many hours as stated in the contract)
  5. How many days per month will I be getting off (after returning to base)

These are basic questions I would have to have unswered in writing (contract form) before I would decide to move across the pond.
If companies I apply to wouldn’t be willing to answer these very basic and reasonable questions and put answers into writing form, contract, I simply wouldn’t be going anywhere, and I would advise everyone else to do the same, otherwise you are inviting them to use you and abuse you in anyway they want, and from what I read those companies will take advantage of you and your vague contract terms.

Unfortunately a written contract is worth SFA when coming out here . I think I’m right in saying that most of the of the Expats using this forum have a modicum of common sense and did their research to the best of their abilities though that won’t stop you getting shafted .
My own written contract was changed 3 times after signing and before moving over , not much you can do in reality because they’ve got you by the bollox , unless you fancy starting all over again .

My advice would be to take whatever any Canadian company says with a pinch of salt as its very likely to be nothing more than a sales pitch to get “meat in the seat” (common Canadian term in driver recruitment circles) and go by word of mouth experiences from other drivers where possible, especially ones from the UK or Europe that will have a similar mind set and expectations of what a trucking job should be. Just because a company includes something in a written contract here, as truck drivers we’re legally regarded as casual labour anyway, hence our milleage rate and not a proper hourly rate or salary and as such a contract is nothing more than toilet paper when it comes to the crunch.

First of all, I’d like to thank you all guys for taking your time and writing these reply trying to inform others thinking of making the move you’ve made, especialy you Robin, I’m right now reading the other thread where you left some lenghty and very informative posts.

What I was trying to say is that people who do not get key points/conditions in writing in their contracts are asking for troubles in my view, and even if a company you start working with changes the rules when you arrive there and does not respect conditions outlibed in your contract, you can simply put up with what they do to you untill you get your PR, then leave them, and take them to court where you will surely get what you are owed and probably some more.

That’s what would happen in any civilised country, I’m sure Canada can be called a civilised country and if not, what’s the point of going there?
Living in the UK you are at least treated humanely (mostly) , plus you are always a cheap and short flight away from Spain, Greece, Turkey, and other nice holiday spots.
If I moved to Canada that’s what I would be missing most, my yearly cheap and cheerfull trips to Mallorca and ibiza

The problem with Canada in my opinion is that its a really nice place to live on the most part, there’s loads of room, only the cities are congested, most places are very safe etc. Canada is all that you expect it to be…until you come to the job. Working in Canada as a truck driver is a thankless task unless you’re exceptionally lucky. Most of it is based on mileage pay which is where the problem is. Getting paid by the mile is no good when in some cases you will wait by the hour, or even by the day, all of time while you’re cost of living remains the same. Your rent or mortgage doesn’t stop because your wheels stop turning, your food costs the same, your car payments and everything else so you either have to run bent to make up time (an option that’s on borrowed time due to the mass take up of electronic log books) or you just don’t go home when you want to, but instead turn around and head down the road again, hoping for better luck this trip. After a few months of this you’ll get entirely fed up of working that way and either jack in and return to the UK or stick it out until you get PR.
Once you’ve got PR your options will entirely depend on where you live. Myself for example, I’m in New Brunswick, which is the most yee-haw province in Canada for running bent, poor wages and a generally atrocious working conditions and even though I’ve had my PR since 2011, my options in the province for earning money and having a life are extremely limited. I was doing a local Maritimes only job in late 2011, which I really enjoyed and the company were actually good to work for in themselves, but they just didn’t have the work/miles to make it pay so I had to move on, back to long haul work again. This is why places such as AB and MB are generally better. There seems to be a better set of working conditions there and there is also a bigger pool of local jobs for when you do have PR, that unlike NB, pay more than the minimum wage. I’m only still here because I’m engaged to a local girl and I do really like living in the area outside of the job. Though moving away in the future is definitely a strong possibility, I just don’t want to drag her to another part of Canada, only for me to disappear down the road for weeks at a time again while she’s left home alone in a new and strange place but if that’s what we’ve got to do to have a decent standard of living then we’ll do it in due course.

As for taking companies to court here, nothing will ever come of it. It happened a lot here in NB that a cowboy company would bring in a load of Brits, Irish, Dutch or Germans, who they’d shaft. I remember on numerous occasions the Germans getting very upset about it and taking the company to the labour board…it always got threw out because as truck drivers we have remarkably few rights, if any. Canada is a civilised country, but not for truck drivers. Its odd because by the public at large we get treat better, we have wonderful facilities compared to the UK and Europe but legally we don’t have a leg to stand on and that’s where working in the UK wins every time. I love living in Canada, I love living in New Brunswick but despite all the bad bits about driving in the UK, I do miss the predictability of my working hours and wages. I knew that when I went to work on a Sunday afternoon or Monday morning, I’d be home by Friday or Saturday morning at the latest and I’d earn a set wage. Here you could be away for a week on two different occasions, one time you’d get 5500km and another time you may only get 3000km. You’re away from your loved ones for the same amount of time, yet you could possibly earn 50% less one week through no fault of your own.

All of this can of course be minimised by carefully choosing your company, the type of work they engage in and indeed where they are located so just because you move to Canada it doesn’t mean its all doom and gloom being a truck driver, but if you do end up in a bad firm in Canada, in my opinion its far worse than being in a bad firm in the UK where if they don’t abide by the law, which in itself is far more geared towards the worker, you really can stand up for yourself.

Like I say, choose your province wisely, especially if coming with a family. Then choose your job just as wisely so that the time spent waiting for PR isn’t spent in misery and then once you have PR you’ll have the option of other work if you chose the right location and you’ll be alright. But, absolutely never believe what a company says on its recruitment page, in job adverts or emails. The only way you can really get an idea of what a company is like to work for is to talk to drivers who are actually there or have worked there and if you cant do that then choose somewhere where there are plenty of other companies around so that if things dont work out, you’re not stuck in a one horse town in the middle of nowhere.

Nice post, it should be a must read for anybody thinking of coming to Canada.

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The uk isn’t exactly a workers’ paradise either. :bulb:

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We know that Carryfast, it’s why we jumped ship!

But don’t be fooled into thinking this is paradise, because it isn’t, there is as much chance of finding a bad job here as there is in The UK. Obviously there are good jobs here, as there are back there, but everybody has a different definition of a good job, that definition changes at different times too.

If you want to, or are prepared to be away all week, then there are more good jobs here, but if you want to be home a few nights or more every week, don’t even think about Canada, unless you are prepared to put in a few years OTR first.

well fair play to you guys, info on here would be realy helpful and a must read for anyone thinking about moving to canada…

had a cracking week this week. left last saturday tipped in Davenport IA then into Chicago IL for second tip, reloaded Medford WI dropped trailer in Calgary this morning then run trailer back to Lethbridge this morning (saturday) total of 3642 miles over 7 1/2 days

Hi Guys I would have a few questions regarding living properties in Canada.

  1. flats are mostly freehold or leasehold and if leasehold how long is the lease for?
  2. when a flat, townhouse is for sale there is usualy a quote of monthly maintenace fees of lets say, $500 or more per month. What does this fee include? I’ve seen these monthly fees quoted on line for flats being sold in Ontario but I haven’t seen any yet for flats for sale in Winnipeg, Manitoba.
  3. is the system basicaly the same as in the UK when it comes to buying flats/ leaseholds?
  4. is it the same in all provinces?
  5. Are there in Canada any council flats, houses, estates, as in the UK and how to recognize them when checking properties for sale online?

Thanks

Well out our way in rural MB…council houses as such are unknown …BUT social assisted housing is,the difference is they are for families that have fallen on hard times and usually around $300 a month all in with very strict conditions on who can live in them,wage (if any)…no parties etc.
Winnipeg is different in many ways not all good but imo plenty ,better, cheaper accomodation an half an hr or so out o the city .
jimmy.

Being a ‘Temporary’ Worker in Canada is exactly that… TEMPORARY, you will get a set date in which you must leave the country by (my work permit lasts 2 years which was at the discretion of immigration when i arrived in Calgary).

As a temporary worker you have basically ‘no rights’. and your work permit is tied to the company you are working for, switch jobs means you need to apply for a new work permit.

The employment contract i signed protects the company not the driver… my contract states i have to work ‘long haul’ in the USA and Canada… I spend about 20 days in the USA and about 10 days in Canada per month.

I know you understand that Canada isn’t the UK, but as a temporary worker there is nothing to ‘fall’ back on, you are a ‘Foreigner’ and if you have Visa problems you will have to leave the country.

I like my Temporary life here and i like my Temporary job here, I have just brought my family over to Canada to stay Temporarily (I want my wife and 8 year old to experience life elsewhere… One Life, Live It… etc)… and until i get Permanent Residency here i won’t invest in anything ‘long term’.

I experienced the last 3 months of the North American winter, -30c to -15c, Snow, Wind and Ice, the last month was the worst -5c to 0c, a slushy, iced slippery nightmare… as the more experienced drivers on here say… the winters are ‘brutal’ and i found for me that it was more ‘luck’ than ‘skill’ that i didn’t slither off the road into some ditch… the thing that amazed me most was the speed the weather changed, withing 30 minutes you could experience 4 seasons then 6 foo snowdrifts, then floods the 25c heat on the same day and the same road. :open_mouth:

I’m not really one for giving advice about life because my life has been ‘unconventional’ but unless you have load’s of money, i would leave your family at home and come over alone to try driving here for a few months first, it’s definetly not for everyone and the last thing i would be thinking about is buying a house, if it’s not for you, well least you gave it a try, yes… you would have spent a bit getting your CDL but you have had yourself a ‘life experience’ in a country which is actually very difficult to get a Visa for to live and work in for the average Joe Bloggs…

Col :grimacing:

robinhood_1984:
The problem with Canada in my opinion is that its a really nice place to live on the most part, there’s loads of room, only the cities are congested, most places are very safe etc. Canada is all that you expect it to be…until you come to the job. Working in Canada as a truck driver is a thankless task unless you’re exceptionally lucky. Most of it is based on mileage pay which is where the problem is. Getting paid by the mile is no good when in some cases you will wait by the hour, or even by the day, all of time while you’re cost of living remains the same. Your rent or mortgage doesn’t stop because your wheels stop turning, your food costs the same, your car payments and everything else so you either have to run bent to make up time (an option that’s on borrowed time due to the mass take up of electronic log books) or you just don’t go home when you want to, but instead turn around and head down the road again, hoping for better luck this trip. After a few months of this you’ll get entirely fed up of working that way and either jack in and return to the UK or stick it out until you get PR.
Once you’ve got PR your options will entirely depend on where you live. Myself for example, I’m in New Brunswick, which is the most yee-haw province in Canada for running bent, poor wages and a generally atrocious working conditions and even though I’ve had my PR since 2011, my options in the province for earning money and having a life are extremely limited. I was doing a local Maritimes only job in late 2011, which I really enjoyed and the company were actually good to work for in themselves, but they just didn’t have the work/miles to make it pay so I had to move on, back to long haul work again. This is why places such as AB and MB are generally better. There seems to be a better set of working conditions there and there is also a bigger pool of local jobs for when you do have PR, that unlike NB, pay more than the minimum wage. I’m only still here because I’m engaged to a local girl and I do really like living in the area outside of the job. Though moving away in the future is definitely a strong possibility, I just don’t want to drag her to another part of Canada, only for me to disappear down the road for weeks at a time again while she’s left home alone in a new and strange place but if that’s what we’ve got to do to have a decent standard of living then we’ll do it in due course.

As for taking companies to court here, nothing will ever come of it. It happened a lot here in NB that a cowboy company would bring in a load of Brits, Irish, Dutch or Germans, who they’d shaft. I remember on numerous occasions the Germans getting very upset about it and taking the company to the labour board…it always got threw out because as truck drivers we have remarkably few rights, if any. Canada is a civilised country, but not for truck drivers. Its odd because by the public at large we get treat better, we have wonderful facilities compared to the UK and Europe but legally we don’t have a leg to stand on and that’s where working in the UK wins every time. I love living in Canada, I love living in New Brunswick but despite all the bad bits about driving in the UK, I do miss the predictability of my working hours and wages. I knew that when I went to work on a Sunday afternoon or Monday morning, I’d be home by Friday or Saturday morning at the latest and I’d earn a set wage. Here you could be away for a week on two different occasions, one time you’d get 5500km and another time you may only get 3000km. You’re away from your loved ones for the same amount of time, yet you could possibly earn 50% less one week through no fault of your own.

All of this can of course be minimised by carefully choosing your company, the type of work they engage in and indeed where they are located so just because you move to Canada it doesn’t mean its all doom and gloom being a truck driver, but if you do end up in a bad firm in Canada, in my opinion its far worse than being in a bad firm in the UK where if they don’t abide by the law, which in itself is far more geared towards the worker, you really can stand up for yourself.

Like I say, choose your province wisely, especially if coming with a family. Then choose your job just as wisely so that the time spent waiting for PR isn’t spent in misery and then once you have PR you’ll have the option of other work if you chose the right location and you’ll be alright. But, absolutely never believe what a company says on its recruitment page, in job adverts or emails. The only way you can really get an idea of what a company is like to work for is to talk to drivers who are actually there or have worked there and if you cant do that then choose somewhere where there are plenty of other companies around so that if things dont work out, you’re not stuck in a one horse town in the middle of nowhere.

Exactly right!.. nicely written Robin. :smiley:

JIMBO47:
As i was told by many cradle Canadians there is no driver shortage just a shortage of welll paid driving jobs,
a local firm to me is mostly foreign drivers ,warehouse ,some office as well …is it a bad job no it is actually a very reasonable driving job 5 day wk wkends off ,so why no Canadians■■?
answer is its on the fringe of the oil fields so all the locals are there earning silly money.and strangely the company says the foreign employees are more loyal and dont jump jobs every 6months for a cent a mile extra.
Southern irish drivers over here coming in droves .
and yup carryfast many many folk out here in the boonies say the same as you why is it so hard for uk drivers ? and why is it easier for many sub continent drivers !!
after the government bringing in the IELTS exam ,(you must do an english speaking,talking,writting exam)for unskilled/semi skilled workers even though you are born ,an bred and your only language is English in, i thought the writting was on the wall.
Ok its their country and their rules so you do it but it ■■■■■! imo. sorry folks just venting a little!
jimmy

We’re are the southern Irish lads coming to in Canada which province

chef sauce:
We’re are the southern Irish lads coming to in Canada which province

Same places as any one else, everywhere. Theres 3 or 4 that I know here in New Brunswick. Theres surprisingly few Irish drivers in Canada though, I don’t know why that is as the ones I know all say Ireland is in a dire state compared to a few years back and would have the same reasons and motivations to move to Canada as the next man.

There not wrong Ireland is in a worse state than the uk economy all left are elderly and youngsters who aren’t old enough to immigrate somewhere better

There not wrong Ireland is in a worse state than the uk economy all left are elderly and youngsters who aren’t old enough to immigrate somewhere better