bbbellboy46:
I’m not a professional driver but do hold a C+E. I’m booked to do my cpc end of Feb , but as I say I currently not driving professionally.Can I take the loaded trailer out to him and bring the empty back?
The distance is about 80 miles
Is this 80 miles round trip or 160 round trip? depends on this answer and what the load is
Yes, you are good to go in my opinion.
Provided:
Your main work is not driving a truck (or bus).
The straight line distance on a map is not more than 100 km to the changeover point.
The trailers are empty.
4 . You are on your own in the cab.
You must not be a poorly informed but know it all jobsworth.
1 to 4 are the regs so go and enjoy the spin, get some wheel time and help out your boss if he is decent.
It’s a problem however if your trailer is loaded either direction unless you didn’t notice the load.
“Sorry Officer I picked up the wrong trailer it appears. Wondered where the other 200 horses had gotten to.”
3.The OP has already said the trailer will be loaded one way (“Can I take the loaded trailer out to him and bring the empty back?”)
tachograph:
- Apart from changing the trailer the OPs main, in fact only work, will be driving a HGV vehicle.
3.The OP has already said the trailer will be loaded one way (“Can I take the loaded trailer out to him and bring the empty back?”)
Tacho you are generally my most reliable reference for legal stuff but…
I assumed he is not mainly employed as a driver as he does not have a DCPC.
I just posted all the rules above as I understand them so as to clean out the various irrelevant red herrings such as insurance etc. to help him make an informed choice.
We are agreed on the load issue but when I was starting out and mad looking for road I’m out the gate with that one and as I said above in the unlikely event of a check
“What load officer■■? They said it’s supposed to be empty”. 
Thus the slightly tongue in cheek “You are good to go provided…”.
Even Dieseldog agrees you can go and he is very experienced. 
Personally, I don’t run bent for anyone under any circumstances
The fact that your employer / boss asked you to do this says quite a lot.
I didn’t pass my; Car license, Class 2, Class 1, Theory test, Medicals, DCPC, etc., etc.
It took a lot to get in the 1st place, but it would cost a lost more, to me anyway, if they were taken away.
Don’t put yourself on VOSA’s radar at any time if you can help it…
I was once stopped by a traffic sergeant after coming back from Belgium after blowing a trailer tyre less than 10 miles from base. He escorted me into a lay-by. While chatting, he said you know we are investigating your company? Oh yes I told him, well aware, you are welcome to look every chart I have, just sign and date each one you inspect. He didn’t bother.
The point: My license is issued to me, not a company. So it’s important to me, not a company. And sadly, no one else. How many times over the years I have had to ram that point home I couldn’t tell you.
Once you do it once, then repent at your leisure…
ROG:
How would the insurance be deemed if an incident occurred and the driver had no DQC
Ah well, insurance companies are always willing to ‘pay out’ regardless of the driver’s qualifications or ability to drive. Can’t imagine they’d even consider searching for any reason: tiny or other etc…
Famous for their lack of interest in small print and likely to encourage the ‘it will never happen to me’ - go for it attitude.
Or should I ask: Insurance, is that a legal requirement too? FFS, this is all getting far too complicated.
dieseldog999:
bobbya:
Just go and do it,who’s gonna know any different, don’t ask here too much negativity.+1
legally no.in reality land,just do it and lie through your teeth if need be so long as your boss covers you with the same story.assuming your getting paid cash…anything you ask on here will be nitpicked to the nth degree with the holier than though dudly do good brigade…crack on and mabey get a job out of it.
Spot on!!
Hurryup&wait:
tachograph:
- Apart from changing the trailer the OPs main, in fact only work, will be driving a HGV vehicle.
I assumed he is not mainly employed as a driver as he does not have a DCPC.
I think you’re misunderstanding the point about “your principle work activity is not driving lorries, buses or coaches”, on the day in question his principle work will be driving a lorry, or it would have been if he was going to do it.
That part of the regulation means if you need to drive a HGV/PCV vehicle in order to do your job which is not mainly driving, in this case he would be driving the vehicle solely for the for the purpose of delivering goods.
Hurryup&wait:
I just posted all the rules above as I understand them so as to clean out the various irrelevant red herrings such as insurance etc. to help him make an informed choice.
I understand that, I’ve no idea about the insurance thing but I would have thought not being qualified to do the job might be something an insurance company would be interested in … but I don’t really know so…
Hurryup&wait:
Even Dieseldog agrees you can go and he is very experienced.
No, he agrees that it’s not legal but says do it anyway, which is very different to saying you can do it because it’s legal 
I agree though that a driver is unlikely to get checked, but if he does the consequences can be more than a days work is worth so his choice should be based on fact, and the fact is that it would not be legal and if he got stopped the consequences could potentially be more than a small fine and smacked wrist, based on that the OP can make an informed choice
bbbellboy46:
Na I’m going to wait till I’m nice and legal! Only a month or so!
Cant you just pretend your going to do it as todays Saturday and it will trigger a right kick off on here.
Insults will be thrown, Nuns/kittens and small children will run screaming for the hills, posters ■■■■■■■■■ will be called into question and spelling ability will be brutally criticised and corrected.
■■■■■■ your going to do it arent you… 
Just wanted a bit of clarity [emoji23] I’ve got that !! Don’t you worry people I’m not going to do it! Even though I’m keen as mustard to ! I want to stay legal !!!
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bang goes the weekend frivolity now then… 
Londontrucker123:
The fact that your employer / boss asked you to do this says quite a lot.
Not neccessarily, maybe the office staff aren’t just trying it on but are also confused by how the rules are laid out especially if its something they’ve never had to encounter before.
Londontrucker123:
I was once stopped by a traffic sergeant after coming back from Belgium after blowing a trailer tyre less than 10 miles from base. He escorted me into a lay-by. While chatting, he said you know we are investigating your company? Oh yes I told him, well aware, you are welcome to look every chart I have, just sign and date each one you inspect. He didn’t bother.
The copper wouldn’t need to to sign and date each chart he inspected, only your current one for that day to show why there would have been a break in the recording when it was removed from the head.
tachograph:
I think you’re misunderstanding the point about “your principle work activity is not driving lorries, buses or coaches”
Driver B is the workshop manager for a road haulier. As part of their responsibilities they occasionally provide driving cover, delivering empty trailers to depots across the country. Although driving isn’t their main activity, they need to have Driver CPC when they’re driving distances more than 100 km from their base.
Driver D is a mechanic who occasionally drives lorries as part of their work. The mechanic is exempt from having Driver CPC for journeys within a 100 km radius of their ‘driver’s base’. The ‘driver’s base’ is the place they start work on that particular day - it’s not restricted to one place.
tommymanc:
bbbellboy46:
I’m not a professional driver but do hold a C+E. I’m booked to do my cpc end of Feb , but as I say I currently not driving professionally.Can I take the loaded trailer out to him and bring the empty back?
The distance is about 80 miles
Is this 80 miles round trip or 160 round trip? depends on this answer and what the load is
From the above link:
You don’t need to have Driver CPC if you meet all of these conditions:
your principle work activity is not driving lorries, buses or coaches
the vehicle is being driven within a 62 mile (100km) radius of your base
you’re the only person in the vehicle
the goods or burden must only be equipment, including machinery, that is permanently fixed to your vehicle
Driver A
Driver A is employed as a mechanic by a local bus company. As part of their responsibilities they move empty buses between depots in the local area. They don’t need to have Driver CPC because driving isn’t their main activity and they aren’t carrying any passengers.Driver B
Driver B is the workshop manager for a road haulier. As part of their responsibilities they occasionally provide driving cover, delivering empty trailers to depots across the country. Although driving isn’t their main activity, they need to have Driver CPC when they’re driving distances more than 100 km from their base.Driver C
Driver C is employed as a valet (a person who parks and cleans vehicles) by a vehicle hire company and starts work at their employer’s premises. As part of their duties they deliver to and collect from customers in the local area.Because they don’t drive more than 100 km from their employers’ premises, they don’t need to have Driver CPC as long as driving isn’t their main activity. However, if their duties mainly involve driving vehicles they do need to have Driver CPC.
Driver D
Driver D is a mechanic who occasionally drives lorries as part of their work. The mechanic is exempt from having Driver CPC for journeys within a 100 km radius of their ‘driver’s base’. The ‘driver’s base’ is the place they start work on that particular day - it’s not restricted to one place.The mechanic’s period on duty will start when they begin work after at least nine hours off-duty, whether that is at home or at work, or at a customer’s address. That address will continue to be their ‘driver’s base’ until he is off-duty for at least 9 hours.
tommymanc:
tachograph:
I think you’re misunderstanding the point about “your principle work activity is not driving lorries, buses or coaches”Driver B is the workshop manager for a road haulier. As part of their responsibilities they occasionally provide driving cover, delivering empty trailers to depots across the country. Although driving isn’t their main activity, they need to have Driver CPC when they’re driving distances more than 100 km from their base.
Driver D is a mechanic who occasionally drives lorries as part of their work. The mechanic is exempt from having Driver CPC for journeys within a 100 km radius of their ‘driver’s base’. The ‘driver’s base’ is the place they start work on that particular day - it’s not restricted to one place.
To be honest I was assuming the OP doesn’t work for the company he’s been asked to drive for, but on reflection I could be wrong about that because he hasn’t said.
Having said that it doesn’t change anything because he will be loaded one way anyway.
It was the above examples that made me think it might be ok to do , but it’s 160 mile round trip . I wouldn’t be getting paid but that doesn’t seem to matter. I have taken trailers to and from the workshop but literally only a few miles
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bbbellboy46:
It was the above examples that made me think it might be ok to do , but it’s 160 mile round trip . I wouldn’t be getting paid but that doesn’t seem to matter. I have taken trailers to and from the workshop but literally only a few milesSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
So why the hell are we all discussing something that’s wrote in black and white, can’t you read, was you hoping there was a loop hole?
the vehicle is being driven within a 62 mile
You could have saved yourself and everyone who posted in this thread some time, by saying to yourself, “it’s more then 62 miles from my office, I can’t do it.”
And you wouldn’t be getting paid for it? Can you come work for me then if I don’t have to pay you also
Was hoping for a loop hole ! [emoji6]
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bbbellboy46:
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Well I’ll be honest with you, there is only one but it’s going to cost you whatever the rate of CPC is these days, and 35 hours of your time 
Yeah that’s the best way! Already booked !!! 27th Feb! Now let me find my rope to practice my dolly knot! Although looking at some of the comment i got , a noose might be better [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]!
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