pyewacket947v:
The Crossley bodywork however was excellent and looking back i think these exposed radiator Crossleys where one of the best looking PSVs on the road.
Even better, I think, when combined with the Leyland radiator: I think that the Crossley-bodied Leyland Titans operated by Preston Corporation (itself a fascinating operation), were one of the most attractive of all the half cab double deck bodies that can recall.
031-01 by Ian Simpson, on Flickr
pyewacket947v:
Fasinating stuff all this PSV info.
A touch disappointing not to see any Birmingham City Transport ,ie,pre WMPTE era pics or memories.
A one time the Birmingham City Fleet was the largest municipal undertaking in the world and second to none in regard to its maintainance regime.
OK, i am a tad biased as i spent my first 12 working years as a mechanic at BCTs Selly Oak Depot.
The photo was not taken by me but by Cyril Cooper, also a mechanic at Selly Oak.
It shows one of BCTs all Crossley double deckers with some heavy remidial work taking place on the Crossley engine, not Crossleys best point
The Crossley bodywork however was excellent and looking back i think these exposed radiator Crossleys where one of the best looking PSVs on the road.
The date is unknown but likely to be in the first half of the 60s.
One for you pyewacket947v.
Oily
‘Pandys Pram’, once a Reading Corporation Crossley decker that I often travelled into town on when the trolleybusses were busy. Converted to transport a traction engine and seen regularly on the rally scene. NMP of course.
Pete.
Is the Burnley Colne & Nelson Leyland PS2 BHG 756 the vehicle which appears in some of the Heartbeat episodes?
How is it that HOD 30 has such a different and so esthetic body? What a contrast with the standard chassis!
Froggy55:
How is it that HOD 30 has such a different and so esthetic body? What a contrast with the standard chassis!
The fashion from the late '30s was for steamlined coachwork. For some reason this was associated particularly with Manchester and its Crossley double deckers, and with Royal Blue (and others) for luxury touring coaches. Since the days of horse drawn coaches luggage had been put on the roof which is why the roof is raised at the rear. The trend continued Post War with downward sweeping lines of trim and two-tone paintwork in between. There is one Royal Blue coach surviving which has a shark’s fin at the rear of the roof. IIRC the purpose was to provide gangway height in an otherwise low interior roof level. There was a ladder built into the rear to enable the crew to stow luggage on top.
The link shows one of the East Kent Tigers with its roof modified to carry Band Instruments.
VALKYRIE:
QUOTE:-240 Gardner » Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:21 am
Hayday wrote:
Should Alf Moseley of Loughborough be added to this list? I believe they had an early association with Caetano but I’m sure they also built their own bespoke bodies. Also, are the Moseley group of West Yorkshire anyway associated with them (one would assume so being in the same industry - but I don’t know!)240 Gardner replied:-
Wasn’t Alf Moseley just a dealer (and importer) for Caetano? I can’t recall ever hearing of a Moseley body. Yeates, of course, were local to Moseley, although I never liked their rather over-ornate designs240 Gardner UNQUOTE.
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Hello Hayday and 240 Gardner
How I wish that I still had a certain,now historic,magazine that documents the motorcoach imports of Alf Moseley of Loughborough from 1968 to at least the early 1980s - I’m determined to get myself another copy!
But all is not lost
From what I can make out there was originally Alf Moseley of Loughborough,a dealer in motorcoaches and buses,that began importing Salvador Caetano motorcoaches in to the United Kingdom in 1968. More about these motorcoaches later.
Alf Moseley later changed its name to Moseley Continental to reflect its business in importing Salvador Caetano motorcoaches.Salvador Caetano set up its own motorcoach importing company in the United Kingdom,Salvador Caetano (UK) Ltd,Northampton,in 1984 and ceased business with Moseley. Salvador Caetano (UK) Ltd later moved to new premises in Heather,Coalville,Leicestershire,in 1988.
A new subsidiary company,S. C. Coachbuilders Ltd,at Waterlooville,England,was set up in 1998 when the factory at that location was bought from from administrators acting on behalf of the UVG - Urban Vehicles Group,which had gone bust.UVG had originally taken over motor bodybuilder Wadham Stringer in 1993,which became WS and then became UVG in 1995. S.C.Coachbuilders did repairs,parts and also produced UVG-designed bus and motorcoach bodies under the Caetano marque name. However,S.C.Coachbuilders body production ceased in 2007 and the factory was sold in 2009.
Salvador Caetano (UK) Ltd became Caetano UK Ltd in 2006.
Now as far as I can make out the Moseley company changed its name to Alf Moseley Continental,and became van and truck dealers in Loughborough.
This company may or may not be connected to the following group of Moseley companies that deal in motorcoaches and buses in the North,East,West and South of the United Kingdom,in Eire and Northern Ireland…each covers different areas that I’ve listed:-
Moseley (PCV) Ltd,South Emsall,Pontefract,West Yorkshire.
Moseley In The South,Wellington,Somerset.
Moseley Distributors Ltd,Glenmavis,Airdrie,Scotland.
As far as Salvador Caetano motorcoaches and the Moseley Continental name are concerned,Salvador Caetano built all of the imported motorcoach bodies and the different models were sold as Salvador Caetano;each model had a different model name such as Alpha,Cascais,Estoril,Faro,Lisboa,Sintra,etc…the Moseley Continental name signified the importers name - it may have been referred to as the actual marque name of the body by some people. But close inspection of the body would reveal the Salvador Caetano badge,the model name,the chassis marque name and in many if not all cases,the Salvador Caetano marque name
Salvador Caetano-Moseley Continental?…before the model name. BUT,they are all officially listed under the Salvador Caetano -later Caetano marque names.
But,as I said,the list of British motor body builders for motorcoaches,buses and trolleybuses is by no means exhaustive
1.Bedford VAL70/Salvador Caetano Estoril C53F,6x2-Twin Steer Chinese Six,Motorcoach,Chassis No.1T483351,Body No.71/37, CFD 300J,Dudley,5-1971,Mills,Gornal Wood,then Eastons Motorcoaches.1#
72.Ford R226/Salvador Caetano Estoril II C53F Motorcoach,Chassis No. BC04ML63366,Body No.73/58, ODM 100L,February 1973,New to Davies,Dyserth.Voel Motorcoaches.Rob Richardson. 1#
6QUOTE: OilTreader.
Breakdown Recovery.
Oily UNQUOTE.3.AEC Regent/1950 Chalmers Mobile Workshop-Van 4x2 Heavy Recovery Vehicle-Breakdown Lorry,Chassis No.6612314, AGX 520,London,6-1933,London Transport,No.738J.New as LT STL169 DD Omnibus.Converted into HRV in 1950. Andy CC-OilTreader.1#
54.Leyland Titan TD5/Beadle,Mobile Workshop-Dropside-Bodied,4x2 Heavy Recovery Vehicle-Breakdown Lorry,Chassis No.17089,Body No.709,EUF 182,5-1938.New as DD Omnibus.Became HRV in 1957,Southdown,No.0182. Barry Lewis-OilTreader. 1#
45.Leyland Titan TD5/Beadle,Mobile Workshop-Dropside-Bodied,4x2 Heavy Recovery Vehicle-Breakdown Lorry,Chassis No.17091,Body No.703, EUF 184,5-1938.New as DD Omnibus.Became HRV in 1957,Southdown,No.0184. Peter Edgeler-OilTreader. 1#
36.Volvo FM12 Globetrotter,Recovery Body-Bodied,Underlift Recovery Crane-Equipped,6x2-Lift Up Trailing Axle,Heavy Recovery Vehicle,VLT 46 from AEC Routemaster RM 46,4-9-1959,London Central. Peter Harris-OilTreader. 1#
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QUOTE: MushroomMan » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:49 am
Thanks for that mate, I have now been able to locate it on Google Earth.
This one from The Manchester Archives say’s Cannon Street of course it’s all changed around there now but I just wondered as a couple of posters have mentioned about mobile canteens for the bus drivers and conductors, could that be one parked up on the left of the picture.UNQUOTE.7.Leyland Tiger TS2/Manchester CTD Mobile Canteen,Chassis No.60857, VR 5996,3-1930,A88 & Leyland Titan PD2/12/Metro-Cammell H36/28R DD Bus,Chassis No.5515723,*PND 428,Manchester CT,No.3428.Cannon St,Manchester.1#
1NOTE: I think it’s PND 428,No.3428…the photograph is not all that clear.
The motorcars are a Rover P2 or P3 and ahead of it is probably an Austin 16
It is almost certainly Leyland Tiger TS2 Mobile Canteen,VR 5996,Manchester C.T.,No.A88 that was stationed on Cannon Street Bus Station,Manchester city centre,from 1950-1961 - Leyland Titan PD2 double decker bus,PND 428,Manchester C.T.,No.3428 dates from 1956.
The Leyland Tiger,VR 5996,was new to Manchester as a B32R single decker bus,No.33,served ■■■ an ambulance from 1940 to 1945,became a bus until 1948,then was converted in to a mobile canteen,No.A88,it was sold in 1962 and unfortunately scrappedBut a sister Leyland Tiger TS2,VR 5742,Manchester C.T.,No.28 is now beautifully preserved
:- This Leyland too became an ambulance,A311,from 4-1940 to 6-1947,then became a mobile canteen,A87.It was sold in 1967 and,as has already been mentioned,it is now preserved by the Greater Manchester Transport Museum:-
8.Leyland Tiger TS2,Manchester CTD B30R Single Decker Bus,Chassis No.60858 ,VR 5742,Manchester,1930,Manchester C.T.,No.28. FlickRiver. 1#
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Voel coaches Kerfoot and Davies from Dyserth nr Rhyl ,had Volvos with that same bodywork ,thank you Trevor
cav551:
AEC under its Assocoiated Commercial Vehicles banner also owned Roe. It would seem that the well known RT body was in fact very similar to a Roe design. For those up for it the history of Charles H Roe Coachworks make interesting readin with it mnay changes of ownership. The company in effect surviving as Optare today.
I went to Optare at Sherburn (I think) not too long ago and they have a big sign up on the building Ashok Leyland
oiltreader:
pyewacket947v:
1Fascinating stuff all this PSV info.
A touch disappointing not to see any Birmingham City Transport ,ie,pre WMPTE era pics or memories.
A one time the Birmingham City Fleet was the largest municipal undertaking in the world and second to none in regard to its maintenance regime.
OK, i am a tad biased as i spent my first 12 working years as a mechanic at BCTs Selly Oak Depot.
The photo was not taken by me but by Cyril Cooper, also a mechanic at Selly Oak.
It shows one of BCTs all Crossley double deckers with some heavy remedial work taking place on the Crossley engine, not Crossleys best point
The Crossley bodywork however was excellent and looking back i think these exposed radiator Crossleys where one of the best looking PSVs on the road.
The date is unknown but likely to be in the first half of the 60s.One for you pyewacket947v.
Oily
Thanks for that Oily.
A ‘proper’ BCT Guy Arab, complete with its Coat of Arms on the grill and the BCT wing emblem on the bonnet side.
Most of these disappeared when the WMPTE took over,even the Red Indian in some post BCT pictures i have seen.
I dont recollect seeing a double deck on a limited stop service though, and certainly not a route No that high.
The 99 limited stop was operated from Selly Oak depot with Ford/Strachans single deckers, which in spite of the misgivings of many
gave a sterling service along the A38, with more than one tale of Police Motor Cylists having to flag one down.
Another one from Selly Oak depot in Birmingham. Again this is not my picture, but was taken by Cyril Cooper a mechanic at the depot.
This is a very young,(and good looking Pyewacket) having driven one of the all Crossleys through the wash.
This shows off the Crossley radiator nicely. This was a pleasant enough job in the summer, but in the winter the water was freezing cold
and on occasions with the chill factor generated by the spinning brushes could freeze turning the long horse tail like brushes into frozen strips
which would begin to batter the side of the bodywork.
One foreman would insist on seeing a demonstration before agreeing it was too cold and washing could be abandoned for the day.
Autocares Rodrigues Scania coach at the depot at Los Gallardos, Almeria, Spain.
Ray Smyth.
I was wrong the vehicle with a tailfin to which I was referring is EYA 923 a 1939 Leyland Cheetah which is in Blue Motors livery. A simply stunning vehicle.
This bus is a Unicar/Pegaso in the fleet of Autocares Rodrigues, Los Gallardos, Almeria, Spain. Ray Smyth.
From the mid 1950s, this former Railway Station in Southport became a Bus Station of Ribble Motor Services. NMP.
Ray Smyth.
To meet the request for more on Birmingham, some footage of Birmingham in 1964 with a few corporation buses. I remember the first time trying to find the wholesale fruit market round the back of the Bull Ring in the dark at about 4am. I recognise the slope up to the roundabout even now and the last time I went there was about 1977.
