British road Services

Ref my BRS disaster post, and comments from gingerfold and sammyopisit.

It’s not the unwillingness of the generators to invest, they would love to, it’s the excess of government interference, party fuelled by EC regulation that is to blame. What a difference from the 1950/60s, when the Generating Board could not build power stations fast enough, be they coal and oil fired, or nuclear. In those days, the likes of GEC, Parsons, International Combustion, as well as all the big civil engineers, had stacks of work, which fed through to the road haulier, whether big or small. Drive along the A1/M1 now, you’ll hardly see a low loader, or even a 40ft flat for that matter !

Trade union pressure was allowed to prevail because of weak management with no executive power, mainly
within the nationalised industries. It is difficult to appreciate that the unions, and those that they were supposed to represent, failed to realise that, by their very actions, they were destroying their jobs, and the organisations that gave them a reasonable living. All very sad…

Hi Guys,

My late Father David Forsyth from Inverness Scotland worked for BRS in the late sixtys I think ? Im not sure but I think My father was the last of the BRS Boys from Inverness too pass away earlier this year?

He then went on to drive bitumen tankers for Andrew Hogg & Sons,from Kilsyth & Inverness around 1971 then He was promoted too Inverness depot manager around 1976/7 upon the retirement off the late Jim MacKay (Jim retired too Bettyhill in Sutherland).

Andrew Hogg & Sons became, United Transport, then later became United Transport Tankers. I now belive it is called Bulwark ?

After the Inverness branch of UTT closed in 1991 My Father had Various driving jobs DCS Transport Inverness, then VG Mathers Aberdeen. After that He was driving for Eddie Stobart until He was forced too take early retirement due too ill health. His health condition meant He had too surrender His HGV which was very distressing for Him.

I would really appreciate if anyone that new My Father or perhaps even had pictures related too any of the above mentioned would get intouch ?

Regards Ivor Forsyth

ivorautocare:
Hi Guys,

My late Father David Forsyth from Inverness Scotland worked for BRS in the late sixtys I think ? Im not sure but I think My father was the last of the BRS Boys from Inverness too pass away earlier this year?

He then went on to drive bitumen tankers for Andrew Hogg & Sons,from Kilsyth & Inverness around 1971 then He was promoted too Inverness depot manager around 1976/7 upon the retirement off the late Jim MacKay (Jim retired too Bettyhill in Sutherland).

Andrew Hogg & Sons became, United Transport, then later became United Transport Tankers. I now belive it is called Bulwark ?

After the Inverness branch of UTT closed in 1991 My Father had Various driving jobs DCS Transport Inverness, then VG Mathers Aberdeen. After that He was driving for Eddie Stobart until He was forced too take early retirement due too ill health. His health condition meant He had too surrender His HGV which was very distressing for Him.

I would really appreciate if anyone that new My Father or perhaps even had pictures related too any of the above mentioned would get intouch ?

Regards Ivor Forsyth

Ivor I’ve just looked on Boballo’s fotki page under Scottish hauliers and under Aberdeenshire in alphabetical order are 22 picture of V G Mathers vehicles.Thought they might be worth a look.Check out other listings in Boballo’s pictures you never now what you might find.Good luck hope you find what your looking for.
regards
chris

DIG:
This old picture is Irthlingborough Repair Centre workshops taken in 1963 according to the writing on the rear of the photo,I can’t make out all of the fleet number which depot the Bristol belonged to but I seem to recall this unit was damaged when on the access road onto the M1 at Newport Pagnell and was hit by an airborne car just above the drivers side front tyre,the driver was ok a few scratches and a fair bit of shock but the car driver not so lucky.
Cheers DIG

The Bristol is 309 AHT 5G314 from Days Road Bristol
Rebuilt and later fleet number RA113

Just got my copy of Classic & vintage Commercials this month,nice to see a feature on the BRS 66 at lincoln farm.I was pleased to read about the 1953 Albion HD57L looking great after it’s restoration,which a read took 14 years in total.I read it was the only HD57L currently restored in Scotland. Bearing in mind where it was produced it’s a truly great story.Completed and ready just in time for the event at lincoln farm,I also note that Heritage Commercial magazine have it featured in there current issue on the front page and with a 6 page feature complete with photo’s.A really interesting story about this vehicle and well worth a read.Well done to all concerned listed as the ALbion 5.Also on view at BRS 66 was the small but beautifully turned out 1945 Thorneycroft Sturdy HWD377 new to Rugby transport and sporting the British Road Service headboard,after being nationalised into BRS group at Bilton and sold off in 1960.

chrisb01:
Just got my copy of Classic & vintage Commercials this month,nice to see a feature on the BRS 66 at lincoln farm.I was pleased to read about the 1953 Albion HD57L looking great after it’s restoration,which a read took 14 years in total.I read it was the only HD57L currently restored in Scotland. Bearing in mind where it was produced it’s a truly great story.Completed and ready just in time for the event at lincoln farm,I also note that Heritage Commercial magazine have it featured in there current issue on the front page and with a 6 page feature complete with photo’s.A really interesting story about this vehicle and well worth a read.Well done to all concerned listed as the ALbion 5.Also on view at BRS 66 was the small but beautifully turned out 1945 Thorneycroft Sturdy HWD377 new to Rugby transport and sporting the British Road Service headboard,after being nationalised into BRS group at Bilton and sold off in 1960.

Photo of the Albion at BRS66

pete smith:

chrisb01:
Just got my copy of Classic & vintage Commercials this month,nice to see a feature on the BRS 66 at lincoln farm.I was pleased to read about the 1953 Albion HD57L looking great after it’s restoration,which a read took 14 years in total.I read it was the only HD57L currently restored in Scotland. Bearing in mind where it was produced it’s a truly great story.Completed and ready just in time for the event at lincoln farm,I also note that Heritage Commercial magazine have it featured in there current issue on the front page and with a 6 page feature complete with photo’s.A really interesting story about this vehicle and well worth a read.Well done to all concerned listed as the ALbion 5.Also on view at BRS 66 was the small but beautifully turned out 1945 Thorneycroft Sturdy HWD377 new to Rugby transport and sporting the British Road Service headboard,after being nationalised into BRS group at Bilton and sold off in 1960.

Photo of the Albion at BRS66

Thanks for pictures Pete,they show the vehicle in all it’s glory.So good to see it back as it was.

chrisb01:

pete smith:

chrisb01:
Just got my copy of Classic & vintage Commercials this month,nice to see a feature on the BRS 66 at lincoln farm.I was pleased to read about the 1953 Albion HD57L looking great after it’s restoration,which a read took 14 years in total.I read it was the only HD57L currently restored in Scotland. Bearing in mind where it was produced it’s a truly great story.Completed and ready just in time for the event at lincoln farm,I also note that Heritage Commercial magazine have it featured in there current issue on the front page and with a 6 page feature complete with photo’s.A really interesting story about this vehicle and well worth a read.Well done to all concerned listed as the ALbion 5.Also on view at BRS 66 was the small but beautifully turned out 1945 Thorneycroft Sturdy HWD377 new to Rugby transport and sporting the British Road Service headboard,after being nationalised into BRS group at Bilton and sold off in 1960.

Photo of the Albion at BRS66

Thanks for pictures Pete,they show the vehicle in all it’s glory.So good to see it back as it was.

Hiya,
Was this early eight wheeled Albion known as the “Caledonian” or did that tag
come later on when the next cab came out ■■, just asking like.
thanks harry, long retired.

Yes, you’re correct about the Caledonian name being applied to the Leyland cabbed Albion eight-wheeler, basically an Octopus with Albion rear axles.The Albion in the photo was a “proper” Albion with all Albion designed and manufactured components, made before Leyland bought-out Albion.

harry_gill:

chrisb01:

pete smith:

chrisb01:
Just got my copy of Classic & vintage Commercials this month,nice to see a feature on the BRS 66 at lincoln farm.I was pleased to read about the 1953 Albion HD57L looking great after it’s restoration,which a read took 14 years in total.I read it was the only HD57L currently restored in Scotland. Bearing in mind where it was produced it’s a truly great story.Completed and ready just in time for the event at lincoln farm,I also note that Heritage Commercial magazine have it featured in there current issue on the front page and with a 6 page feature complete with photo’s.A really interesting story about this vehicle and well worth a read.Well done to all concerned listed as the ALbion 5.Also on view at BRS 66 was the small but beautifully turned out 1945 Thorneycroft Sturdy HWD377 new to Rugby transport and sporting the British Road Service headboard,after being nationalised into BRS group at Bilton and sold off in 1960.

Photo of the Albion at BRS66

Thanks for pictures Pete,they show the vehicle in all it’s glory.So good to see it back as it was.

Hiya,
Was this early eight wheeled Albion known as the “Caledonian” or did that tag
come later on when the next cab came out ■■, just asking like.
thanks harry, long retired.

Harry i have added a couple of pictures of the Albion Caledonian version for you to look at.Sorry there not BRS but you can’t have everything.
regards Chris.

Albion Caledonian 2.jpg

Albion Caledonian 1.jpg

Hiya,
I drove an Octopus of the same era as the Albion Cale’s and although I always pulled
a drawbar trailer and when giving it “big licks” about 38 mph top max these Albion’s
always seemed to be able to creep past me, I would say 2 or 3 mph faster than me
could it have been that the Albion axles were a bit speedier than the Leyland’s.
thanks harry, long retired.

chrisb01:

harry_gill:

chrisb01:

pete smith:

chrisb01:
Just got my copy of Classic & vintage Commercials this month,nice to see a feature on the BRS 66 at lincoln farm.I was pleased to read about the 1953 Albion HD57L looking great after it’s restoration,which a read took 14 years in total.I read it was the only HD57L currently restored in Scotland. Bearing in mind where it was produced it’s a truly great story.Completed and ready just in time for the event at lincoln farm,I also note that Heritage Commercial magazine have it featured in there current issue on the front page and with a 6 page feature complete with photo’s.A really interesting story about this vehicle and well worth a read.Well done to all concerned listed as the ALbion 5.Also on view at BRS 66 was the small but beautifully turned out 1945 Thorneycroft Sturdy HWD377 new to Rugby transport and sporting the British Road Service headboard,after being nationalised into BRS group at Bilton and sold off in 1960.

Photo of the Albion at BRS66

Thanks for pictures Pete,they show the vehicle in all it’s glory.So good to see it back as it was.

Hiya,
Was this early eight wheeled Albion known as the “Caledonian” or did that tag
come later on when the next cab came out ■■, just asking like.
thanks harry, long retired.

Harry i have added a couple of pictures of the Albion Caledonian version for you to look at.Sorry there not BRS but you can’t have everything.
regards Chris.

Is that a bit of a sleeper on the tanker ?

Don’t think so, Jeffrey, I reckon it’s just that the door was hinged on the front corner of the cab (the A-post) as opposed to the more usual mounting on the B-post. I think the bodybuilder’s idea was that the driver would find it easier to climb up & down using “proper” steps (like on the LAD Albions) rather than take the skin off his shins every couple of days using a slippery step ring.

It is an unusual, purpose built cab on that Albion, I’m wondering if it was a crew cab of some description. The tank only seems to have one outlet pipe, suggesting it might be a single compartment tank, rather than a multi-compartment spirit tank. A specialised vehicle for specific jobs maybe? Has anyone got any ideas?

Cab has full lengh doors with access in front of wheel making the cab “deeper”,but looking thru passenger side windscreen is that some sort of support bar?

gingerfold:
It is an unusual, purpose built cab on that Albion, I’m wondering if it was a crew cab of some description. The tank only seems to have one outlet pipe, suggesting it might be a single compartment tank, rather than a multi-compartment spirit tank. A specialised vehicle for specific jobs maybe? Has anyone got any ideas?

The tank will most likely be a black oil tank ( heavy fuel oil ) with it being a single compartment tank as they were usually one potters as were tar product tanks but I would say it was a black oil tank.
cheers Johnnie

having been interested in the beautiful little 1945 Thorneycroft Sturdy at BRS 66 reg.HWD377,I wondered if this type of vehicle was in extensive use by BRS across the country.I have looked through several books on the subject and can only find reference to 4 other vehicles 3 based at Peterborough they were HMJ 428/429/430.although HMJ429 was sold prior to 1957.I also found a 1947 Sturdy artic reg.JTU643 which was based according to records at Warrington and again disposed of around 1957 as well.Does anyone have any information about any other of these little workhorses in use by BRS?

The very nicely rebuilt Albion 8 wheeler has the all ally cab made for the abortive ground nut scheme in Kenya a number of which were used by the BRS and we had several of these ex. BRS motors on Inter-City, ■■■■■■■■■■■■ They in common with the old Scammel 8 wheeler had the front brakes on the second steer and not on the front steer. the Albion engines were prone to breaking the injector pipes but otherwise was a reliable old plodder…Tony.

Is a long time ago now, but anybody remember the night trunk from Rotherhithe New Road to Spring Street, Bristol ? I had just left school, and my mate and I had become very interested in lorries, and we wanted to have a trip or two in a wagon ! We lived in Southall at the time, and saw the BRS South Wales trunk going out every evening, and they all stopped at Frank’s Cafe, which was just before the canal bridge on Uxbridge Road. So, on a couple of occasions we waited outside, and asked the drivers as they came out if we could go for a ride with them. Not a chance ! Every one of them refused, so we gave up that, and decided to try the A4 to Bristol.
So, and I can tell you, it was 30th April 1954 (Pete passed away around 20 years ago now, but he kept notes!), a cool and rainy evening, and we some how got ourselves to the Colnbrook by-Pass, and started to thumb. The Bristol 8 wheeler was one of our favourites at the time, and we had no idea they were on the Bristol trunk, when they started to pass us by one after another, after another ! A BRS Guy Otter artic, 53A 717, OLB39 stopped for us, and although he was not going to Bristol, said he’d take us to somewhere we were sure to get a lift, and dropped us off at a cafe at Sonning, just east of Reading, and on the North side of the A4. The lorry park was full of the BRS Bristols, so once again the asking game, and the same response as with the welshmen at Southall ! Time was getting on, and there was only one of them left, and in response to Pete’s request, the driver said ''Aye, I’ll take 'ee ! So off we went through the night, no M4 then of course, through Calcot Row, Thatcham, Newbury, Hungerford, Marlborough, Beckhampton, then on the A361 past Devizes, A365 through Melksham, and rejoining the A4 near Box, a stop at a cafe in Bath, and then on through Saltford and Keynsham to Bristol, where he dropped us off just over the river, nearly opposite Temple Meads station.
The driver was Len Iles, and he was the shift foreman, required to travel ‘‘tail end Charlie’’ to sort out any problems with his charges en route, calling into the depots at Thatchan and Devizes to ensure nobody had gone in to either, for attention to a mechanical fault. His vehicle was 2F383, MLJ196, the prototype HG6L Bristol, and I, (Pete was called up for National Service soon thereafter) had many more trips with him, or one of his minions on the nights he had a drag, over the next couple of years as I will relate anon.

chrisb01:
having been interested in the beautiful little 1945 Thorneycroft Sturdy at BRS 66 reg.HWD377,I wondered if this type of vehicle was in extensive use by BRS across the country.I have looked through several books on the subject and can only find reference to 4 other vehicles 3 based at Peterborough they were HMJ 428/429/430.although HMJ429 was sold prior to 1957.I also found a 1947 Sturdy artic reg.JTU643 which was based according to records at Warrington and again disposed of around 1957 as well.Does anyone have any information about any other of these little workhorses in use by BRS?

Hi chrisb01, I can remember a number of 4 wheeler Thorneycrofts in use by BRS Swansea group -may have been Sturdys–they were used to serve Morris Motors at Oxford by night trunk from Llanelli -drivers stayed over days returning next night , I did at times shunt these and they had the 'upside down ’ gearboxes , the years would have been around 1950/52 when BRS had all sorts of old lorries taken over from the private sector .hope this is of some help to you . toshboy