dew:
scaniaontheroad:
Bewick:
scaniaontheroad:
One of the best looking fleets of the time dennis.Thanks for the kind coment s.o.t.r.,it is appreciated
Cheers Dennis.
I ran along side with a lot of good guys,back then.Jim varney,Lol,Mr Bateson,Del,Chuff and many more.Very sad to hear about Peter Loxam.New his family well as a lot of them from Arkholme.You had one of the best Mechanics around at the time too…
Refering to Big Ben their by any chance?
Who ? 
Bewick:
dew:
scaniaontheroad:
Bewick:
scaniaontheroad:
One of the best looking fleets of the time dennis.Thanks for the kind coment s.o.t.r.,it is appreciated
I ran along side with a lot of good guys,back then.Jim varney,Lol,Mr Bateson,Del,Chuff and many more.Very sad to hear about Peter Loxam.New his family well as a lot of them from Arkholme.You had one of the best Mechanics around at the time too…
Refering to Big Ben their by any chance?
Who ?
Steve - sorry he’s known locally as Ben (I actually only learned his true first time quite recently, haha.
To-nights offering is a shot I took at Boalloy’s,Congleton in early '91 on the morning I collected the first of a number of Tautliners for our contract with East Lancs Paper Mill.It was the only ex stock chassis they had available,a Tinsley ugh!,prior to Crane Fruehauf building further chassis for the rest of the bodies we required from the finest builders,of that era,of curtainsiders.IIRC the unit was one of a batch of very low mileage Scanias I bought from Cowies who had recently bought out Foleys Truck Hire,Stourbridge.Good deal,luvverly jubberly, 
Cheers Bewick.
dew:
Bewick:
dew:
scaniaontheroad:
Bewick:
scaniaontheroad:
One of the best looking fleets of the time dennis.Thanks for the kind coment s.o.t.r.,it is appreciated
I ran along side with a lot of good guys,back then.Jim varney,Lol,Mr Bateson,Del,Chuff and many more.Very sad to hear about Peter Loxam.New his family well as a lot of them from Arkholme.You had one of the best Mechanics around at the time too…
Refering to Big Ben their by any chance?
Who ?
Steve - sorry he’s known locally as Ben (I actually only learned his true first time quite recently, haha.
Must say Dennis I like the livery on the E.L P.M Scania G273KUE was this your choice and if so how come you didn’t have it on the rest of your fleet. or was it theirs as part of the contract.
Bewick:
I always thought this was a great B/W shot from early 1970,Saturday at noon,the entire fleet, ready to leave the Mill at Beetham.I know I may get “some stick” from some members on the site when I can honestly say that the graft I did with that D1000 (which I was still driving at this time)enabled me to purchase the goodwill of the “A” licence on the Mastiff as well as put both of them “on the road”,it sure was hard work which I wouldn’t wish to inflict on anyone but one or two on the site will have similar memories I have no doubt
Evening Dennis,
This is a great photo black and white are always nostalgic, what you said about the A licence got me thinking what would the job be like if we,d have kept the old licencing system.We had 21 ton of A licence on three motors 2 artics and 1 ridgid.worth a lot of money at the time about 300 pounds per ton .then along came Barbara Castle with the O licence and it opened every thing up.rates went down but thats progress.Anyway enough of that this is a great thread with some exelent photos keep them coming.
Cheers,Richard.
great thread but the tractor units i remember most due to my age were the f series volvos 2 and 3 series scanias the sk mercs and my personal favourits the magnums so any pics of these please
Sorry to diversify but how did the A (or B or C) licence work?
went to beetham nurseries last week dennis and the paper mill looks the same as in 1970,they must be doing something right there.who does their work now,and which of those motors of yours was most reliable and cheapest to run. regards, jack preston.
shirtbox2003:
went to beetham nurseries last week dennis and the paper mill looks the same as in 1970,they must be doing something right there.who does their work now,and which of those motors of yours was most reliable and cheapest to run. regards, jack preston.
O’Reilly Transport have some of the work out of there as my stepdad does it occasionally, but I think a lot of local companies do bits and pieces.
Rich_T:
Sorry to diversify but how did the A (or B or C) licence work?
A,s & B,s were for hire and reward C,s were for Cos that carried their own goods, A ,s usualy allowed the haulier to carry anything thing anywhere, B,s were restricted to various distance,s & goods carried, There was also an S Licence which I think was introduced when denationalisation came about, ■■?., An A licence was gold in those days & worth sometimes more than the wagon it was on. It was a funny sort of system , You were allowed say 24 Ton based on the ULW Weight, So you could have three 8 wheelers at 8 ton each UL. Or 7 four wheelers at 3 ton plus each, The A licence,s could be sold as well as the B,s, But of course when the O Licence was introduced it stopped all that, This IMO Was the start of the downfall of Road Haulage with all its rules & regulations as we have to-day, Regards Larry.
Thanks for that, Ive seen A licences mention quite a bit but not being hatched till 71, it was slightly before my time.
Rich_T:
Sorry to diversify but how did the A (or B or C) licence work?
The old licencing system went a bit like this,the one you wanted was an open A this ment you could carry any type of goods to anywere in the country they were like gold dust,and usually were only avalable if someone was selling a vehicle with oneattatched to it .when renewing a licence you had to prove you had work for it as well .then there was the type of A which had certain goods you could carry ,still very much in demand.Bigger firms could apply and sometimes get extra licences,but the BRS and the railways always objected.The B licence was limited to a milage radius of your base ok for local work but restricted you to what you could do,they were useful if you also had A licences.The C and C hiring licence were for carrying your own goods only or for a haulier to work for just the company whos good only they carried.there was also an S licence which you got with an ex BRS wagon when they were de nationalising ,and an F licence for farmers and there goods ,There were many ways to work the system to get the best from your fleet but maybe thats for a thread on its own.
Sorry if i,ve gone on a bit Dennis.
Cheers Richard.
Makings of an interesting thread here about Carriers Licencing which was first introduced in 1933 and was eventually ruined ( as Larry says!) by the labour government introducing Operators licencing in 1970/71.However,I did have firsthand experience of the old system in it’s final years.My first two “A” licences were granted to me by the LA ( Mr Hanlon) at Bewick Haulage in 68’ and 69’ on the surrender of two similar “A”'s by a local haulier from Sedbergh,you didn’t actually “buy” the licence but you paid an agreed sum for the “goodwill” of the business that the licences had been used for by the previous haulier,this £sum was usually equated to the ULW of the the vehicle concerned,plus you could get an automatic lift of 10cwt when the vehicle was changed after a period of time ( not too sure what this period was) but from memory I was able to up the ULW of an AEC Mercury that my second “A” licence was transferred from,which took the ULW up to circa 8tons and this allowed me to put a 26ton BMC Mastiff artic on the road the “goodwill” of the licences transferred to me was really worthless but thats another story !.As stated in an earlier post the best kind of “A” was what was termed “General Goods Great Britain” ,all the BRS fleet,other than their Contract motors were this type of “A”'s.Other “A” licenced hauliers had attached to their licences what was called “A normal user” which listed what a particular haulier mainly carried.But after,say,an “A” licenced hauliers motor had left home base with “A normal user” load he was then free to reload after tipping at point B and haul that load to any other point,then re-load again for another destination and so on and so forth.This was what real “tramping” was about so he was using his “restricted” “A” as a “Gen Goods GB” licence which he was perfectly entitled to do.Theres more,but I’ve had enough to-night eh! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
Makings of an interesting thread here about Carriers Licencing which was first introduced in 1933 and was eventually ruined ( as Larry says!) by the labour government introducing Operators licencing in 1970/71.However,I did have firsthand experience of the old system in it’s final years.My first two “A” licences were granted to me by the LA ( Mr Hanlon) at Bewick Haulage in 68’ and 69’ on the surrender of two similar “A”'s by a local haulier from Sedbergh,you didn’t actually “buy” the licence but you paid an agreed sum for the “goodwill” of the business that the licences had been used for by the previous haulier,this £sum was usually equated to the ULW of the the vehicle concerned,plus you could get an automatic lift of 10cwt when the vehicle was changed after a period of time ( not too sure what this period was) but from memory I was able to up the ULW of an AEC Mercury that my second “A” licence was transferred from,which took the ULW up to circa 8tons and this allowed me to put a 26ton BMC Mastiff artic on the road the “goodwill” of the licences transferred to me was really worthless but thats another story !.As stated in an earlier post the best kind of “A” was what was termed “General Goods Great Britain” ,all the BRS fleet,other than their Contract motors were this type of “A”'s.Other “A” licenced hauliers had attached to their licences what was called “A normal user” which listed what a particular haulier mainly carried.But after,say,an “A” licenced hauliers motor had left home base with “A normal user” load he was then free to reload after tipping at point B and haul that load to any other point,then re-load again for another destination and so on and so forth.This was what real “tramping” was about so he was using his “restricted” “A” as a “Gen Goods GB” licence which he was perfectly entitled to do.Theres more,but I’ve had enough to-night eh! Cheers Dennis.
Did you ever run that Mercury Dennis or was it just a case of the licence you could obtain ?
ramone:
Bewick:
Makings of an interesting thread here about Carriers Licencing which was first introduced in 1933 and was eventually ruined ( as Larry says!) by the labour government introducing Operators licencing in 1970/71.However,I did have firsthand experience of the old system in it’s final years.My first two “A” licences were granted to me by the LA ( Mr Hanlon) at Bewick Haulage in 68’ and 69’ on the surrender of two similar “A”'s by a local haulier from Sedbergh,you didn’t actually “buy” the licence but you paid an agreed sum for the “goodwill” of the business that the licences had been used for by the previous haulier,this £sum was usually equated to the ULW of the the vehicle concerned,plus you could get an automatic lift of 10cwt when the vehicle was changed after a period of time ( not too sure what this period was) but from memory I was able to up the ULW of an AEC Mercury that my second “A” licence was transferred from,which took the ULW up to circa 8tons and this allowed me to put a 26ton BMC Mastiff artic on the road the “goodwill” of the licences transferred to me was really worthless but thats another story !.As stated in an earlier post the best kind of “A” was what was termed “General Goods Great Britain” ,all the BRS fleet,other than their Contract motors were this type of “A”'s.Other “A” licenced hauliers had attached to their licences what was called “A normal user” which listed what a particular haulier mainly carried.But after,say,an “A” licenced hauliers motor had left home base with “A normal user” load he was then free to reload after tipping at point B and haul that load to any other point,then re-load again for another destination and so on and so forth.This was what real “tramping” was about so he was using his “restricted” “A” as a “Gen Goods GB” licence which he was perfectly entitled to do.Theres more,but I’ve had enough to-night eh! Cheers Dennis.Did you ever run that Mercury Dennis or was it just a case of the licence you could obtain ?
No “ramone”,I only had the licence transferred the AEC was 10 years old and plated for about 12 ton GVW,I think it was scrapped afterwards.The first “A” licence I had transferred was from a Guy Otter that had a Gardner 4LK engine and was obviously lighter than the Mercury but I was able to claim enough of a lift to get the “A” onto my D1000 Cheers Dennis.
From memory the “Normal user” of the “A” licences I had transferred from Coward Bros.of Sedburgh were as follows,“Cattle and livestock as required,Hay Straw and agricultral requisits as required,coal, coke and household removals as required,building materials,gun cotton from Lansil in Lancaster as required and lastly “New dental cabinets” as required ? CWM could probably elaberate on that one !.After my application for a third “A” licence was granted,I had lost all the above crap and my “Normal user” read,” Paper and raw materials for Henry Cooke Ltd as required,Tinned Food for Libby McNeill and Libby as required but mainly to London and the South East".This was all I needed on my "A"licence 
,the back traffic was anything without restriction,Happy days! 
Cheers Dennis.
I remember trying to get the ULW DOWN to get the lorry under three tons so it would sit in a lower taxation bracket. Before the “first weigh” it was the custom to drain the water out of the radiator, drain half the engine oil, take the dropsides off, remove the spare wheel & carrier, take the passenger seat out, replace the two six volt batteries with the 12-volt one from the works van.
Such fun!
A late '70’s shot,a mixed line up of new tractor units at Milnthorpe depot ready for the road.
Bewick:
A late '70’s shot,a mixed line up of new tractor units at Milnthorpe depot ready for the road.
Hi Dennis, a nice shot of some decent working motors, including the pair of 81s.
Regards Paul.
