ramone:
Bewick:
Here’s a shot of Pope Geoffery the 1st of Leatherhead moving among his flock who are in the same Clinic
There`s some intelligence under that hat Dennis
Aye your dead right there “ramone” what that guy dosen’t know you could write on the back of a stamp !! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
ramone:
Bewick:
Here’s a shot of Pope Geoffery the 1st of Leatherhead moving among his flock who are in the same ClinicThere`s some intelligence under that hat Dennis
Aye your dead right there “ramone” what that guy dosen’t know you could write on the back of a stamp !! Cheers Dennis.
I bet there`s a V8 DD Turbo under that bonnet
ramone:
Bewick:
ramone:
Bewick:
Here’s a shot of Pope Geoffery the 1st of Leatherhead moving among his flock who are in the same ClinicThere`s some intelligence under that hat Dennis
Aye your dead right there “ramone” what that guy dosen’t know you could write on the back of a stamp !! Cheers Dennis.
I bet there`s a V8 DD Turbo under that bonnet
How did you guess ? 
Jazzandy:
Is there any remote chance that we can keep to the thread subject?All this Germany versus British stuff is absolutely fascinating but what in the name of all things sane has this got to do with the Ergomatic cab?
Another point - the stepped up cab a-l’Americaine was not really necessary at the time. What did Mercedes bring out round about 1973/74? The New Generation cab which was a lowline model very similar to the T45!!
As I remember it, the NG looked diminutive because Mercedes’ intention was to soften the visual impact of the lorry on the general public. Was it actually any less spacious inside, than the LP? How would the similarly-styled T45 stack up against a Marathon, in terms of useable space for the driver?
bma.finland:
have we a different history in finland ,tought the britts go to war in september 1939 ,of is it carryfast
That’s what I said.Between 1939-41 Russia and America weren’t really a factor from the point of view of fighting the Germans when it mattered to us.Russia at that time had a pact with Germany and Germany only turned on Russia after it had lost the Battle of Britain and then decided to concentrate it’s efforts against Russia instead.
The fact is without the Spitfire we’d have lost the Battle of Britain in 1940 because the RAF’s losses would have outweighed the Luftwaffe’s losses.At which point the Germans would have invaded Britain with little if any chance of defeating the combined might of the Wehrmacht,Kreigsmarine and Luftwaffe considering that the Royal Navy would have had no chance of stopping the invasion force v effective German air attack.In which case there could have been no involvement of the US and D Day invasion of France and Hitler would have won the War.Considering that Britain was the last surviving European staging post for any counter attack against the Germans.
While as I’ve said without maintaining naval and air superiority throughout the war we’d have lost the Battle of the Atlantic and the D Day landings would have failed anyway and there’s no way that we’d have had that superiority without British engineering in the form of British naval and aircraft development throughout the war.In which case with Britain blockaded into submission and the allied invasion forces in Western Europe defeated,we’d probably just have had Stalin’s lot in charge of Western Europe instead of Hitler’s lot assuming the war between Russia and Germany had started and inevitably ended with Germany’s defeat,or Britain’s surrender to Germany if not. 
As I’ve said the free world has a lot to thank British engineering for in which case back to the topic,as I’ve said,there’s no way that the failure of Leyland and the uk manufacturing industry could be blamed on the country’s workers considering what they’d proved being capable of.It was the bankers and politicians that did it by starving uk manufacturing of the cash needed to develop competitive products and to pay it’s workforce and opening the economy to foreign competition,ironically in large part German competition.
Carryfast:
As for all the acedemic bs being the so called indentifying feature of what makes an engineer.
Nothing you have said so far, in nearly 10,000 posts of dreary, stupid lies, has touched upon the single reason for British culture’s inability to support a competitive manufacturing industry. This, the most cretinous statement you have ever made, provides the answer. It is perfect. Your work is done. You may be quiet, now.
kr79:
Yes the british forces did hold of the invasion in 1940 due to better aircraft radar and better tactics from fighter command and churchills oratory helping motivate people.
But without hitler dropping a clanger by attacking russia then the USA getting involved theres no way the British could have held the Germans off in the long term. And certainly not mount an invasion back to the mainland.
Churchill knew all that regardless of what happened on the Eastern Front.However the fact is without the Spitfire and continuing development in naval and aircraft technology and manufacturing the Battle of Britain would have been lost and Britain would have been invaded and therefore US couldn’t have got involved.While the combined loss of the battle of the atlantic and/or the failure of the D Day invasion of Europe would have had the same effect assuming that naval and air superiority hadn’t been maintained throughout the war and that superiority in large part depended on British engineering and design.
Deaf ears.
[zb]
anorak:Carryfast:
As for all the acedemic bs being the so called indentifying feature of what makes an engineer.Nothing you have said so far, in nearly 10,000 posts of dreary, stupid lies, has touched upon the single reason for British culture’s inability to support a competitive manufacturing industry. This, the most cretinous statement you have ever made, provides the answer. It is perfect. Your work is done. You may be quiet, now.
So you’re saying that no highly acedemically qualified design engineer has ever relied on the know how of the shop floor engineering trades which need no such levels of qualifications whatsoever to turn engineering drawings into reality.In which case your factory is going to be a bit short of such tradesmen if you’re going to require them all to have the same acedemic qualifications as the firm’s chief design engineer before you’ll let them near a machine or a work bench. 
Bewick:
Here’s a shot of Pope Geoffery the 1st of Leatherhead moving among his flock who are in the same Clinic
But he has got a very pretty flag!
I vote that this is most fascinating and diversified thread ever to appear on Trucknet. 
Carryfast certainly knows how to hold his audience spellbound. 
Well done to the ERGO cab, it obviously now cements its place in history as a world-beater.
Oh, and the final reason for the ultimate rapid defeat of Germany was lack of fuel due to the USAAF and Bomber Command destroying the German’s synthetic oil plants, grounding the Luftwaffe and immobilising the tank regiments.
Now can we get onto the war in the pacific against the Japanese please. There’s plenty to discuss there about Japanese engineering.
gingerfold:
I vote that this is most fascinating and diversified thread ever to appear on Trucknet.Carryfast certainly knows how to hold his audience spellbound.
Well done to the ERGO cab, it obviously now cements its place in history as a world-beater.
Oh, and the final reason for the ultimate rapid defeat of Germany was lack of fuel due to the USAAF and Bomber Command destroying the German’s synthetic oil plants, grounding the Luftwaffe and immobilising the tank regiments.
Now can we get onto the war in the pacific against the Japanese please. There’s plenty to discuss there about Japanese engineering.
You will start them off shouting the odds about Hino’s now Graham.
Cheers Dave.
gingerfold:
I vote that this is most fascinating and diversified thread ever to appear on Trucknet.Carryfast certainly knows how to hold his audience spellbound.
Well done to the ERGO cab, it obviously now cements its place in history as a world-beater.
Oh, and the final reason for the ultimate rapid defeat of Germany was lack of fuel due to the USAAF and Bomber Command destroying the German’s synthetic oil plants, grounding the Luftwaffe and immobilising the tank regiments.
Now can we get onto the war in the pacific against the Japanese please. There’s plenty to discuss there about Japanese engineering.
The loon plastered the same cross-eyed bigotry over the “What went Wrong” thread, although this time, he has surpassed himself.
I started a Japanese Lorries thread some time ago, but there was minimal interest. More recently, another chap had a go, with a similar result. It seems that us Europeans don’t know much about them! They are certainly different to the more familiar Euro and US norms- but how, and why?
The diversion of this thread into the subject of general technological progress, with reference to national cultures and their respective engineering prowess, is fascinating. Starting with people as a raw material, how do you engineer an engineering industry? Lorries are possibly the best products to use as an example, given the diversity of their design, across the communities of the world.
Carryfast:
kr79:
Yes the british forces did hold of the invasion in 1940 due to better aircraft radar and better tactics from fighter command and churchills oratory helping motivate people.
But without hitler dropping a clanger by attacking russia then the USA getting involved theres no way the British could have held the Germans off in the long term. And certainly not mount an invasion back to the mainland.Churchill knew all that regardless of what happened on the Eastern Front.However the fact is without the Spitfire and continuing development in naval and aircraft technology and manufacturing the Battle of Britain would have been lost and Britain would have been invaded and therefore US couldn’t have got involved.While the combined loss of the battle of the atlantic and/or the failure of the D Day invasion of Europe would have had the same effect assuming that naval and air superiority hadn’t been maintained throughout the war and that superiority in large part depended on British engineering and design.
If you care to check the historical facts properly “CF” you will discover that 75% of the British aircraft which fought in the Battle of Britain were Hurricans and they had the same RR Merlin engine and were only marginally slower than,addmittedly,the technical superior Spitfire.But the Hurrican did possess one advantage in that it could be more easily repaired as it was a fabric covered air frame.A bit like the Atky cab,if you suffered minor damage all you had to do was return all the broken bits and within a few hours,hey presto,you were back on the road as good as new !! Cheers me old mucker,don’t let the ■■■■■■■■ grind you down what!! Bewick.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
kr79:
Yes the british forces did hold of the invasion in 1940 due to better aircraft radar and better tactics from fighter command and churchills oratory helping motivate people.
But without hitler dropping a clanger by attacking russia then the USA getting involved theres no way the British could have held the Germans off in the long term. And certainly not mount an invasion back to the mainland.Churchill knew all that regardless of what happened on the Eastern Front.However the fact is without the Spitfire and continuing development in naval and aircraft technology and manufacturing the Battle of Britain would have been lost and Britain would have been invaded and therefore US couldn’t have got involved.While the combined loss of the battle of the atlantic and/or the failure of the D Day invasion of Europe would have had the same effect assuming that naval and air superiority hadn’t been maintained throughout the war and that superiority in large part depended on British engineering and design.
If you care to check the historical facts properly “CF” you will discover that 75% of the British aircraft which fought in the Battle of Britain were Hurricans and they had the same RR Merlin engine and were only marginally slower than,addmittedly,the technical superior Spitfire.But the Hurrican did possess one advantage in that it could be more easily repaired as it was a fabric covered air frame.A bit like the Atky cab,if you suffered minor damage all you had to do was return all the broken bits and within a few hours,hey presto,you were back on the road as good as new !! Cheers me old mucker,don’t let the [zb] grind you down what!!
I know a bit about the Hurricane having had an uncle who worked for Hawkers at the relevant time.As anyone who was there and any miltitary strategist could tell you having air superiority is an essential factor in modern warfare and the fact is we wouldn’t have had air superiority over the Luftwaffe at any point in the war without the Spitfire or the Merlin and Griffon engines.If you’d have just had a fighter fleet made up of Hurricanes during the Battle of Britain and no Spitfires the ability of the Hurricane to be repaired easier wouldn’t have mattered because you’d have had no aircraft left to repair and no pilots to left to fly them considering the thing’s inferiority v the 109.Yes the Hurricane did shoot down plenty of bombers but as a fighter on fighter dogfighter the thing was a liability.As for it then being fitted with the Griffon engine later in the war to take on the FW 190 D9 it still would have been the same zb dogfighter as before but just with more power let alone the fact that that engine probably would have torn itself out of the Hurricane’s airframe before it ever got off the ground.Not forgetting,as I’ve said,that the whole issue of Britain and then later the allies having a credible air superiority fighter force,against Germany,was all based on the Merlin and Griffon engines anyway.But the fact is the Hurricane was never going to be a credible part of that force. 
While if I’ve read it right I think you eventually gave up on those old Atkis in favour of the foreign opposition regardless of the Atki cab’s ability to be repaired.It’s just that luckily for the free world the MOD realised that the Hurricane’s abilities,regarding easier repairs,than the Spitfire’s,wasn’t going to be the main priority from the start. 
gingerfold:
I vote that this is most fascinating and diversified thread ever to appear on Trucknet.Carryfast certainly knows how to hold his audience spellbound.
Well done to the ERGO cab, it obviously now cements its place in history as a world-beater.
Oh, and the final reason for the ultimate rapid defeat of Germany was lack of fuel due to the USAAF and Bomber Command destroying the German’s synthetic oil plants, grounding the Luftwaffe and immobilising the tank regiments.
Now can we get onto the war in the pacific against the Japanese please. There’s plenty to discuss there about Japanese engineering.
Bomber Command and the USAAF wouldn’t have got as far as ( eventually ) being able to take out Germany’s fuel production facilities without having air superiority in the form of the Spitfire during the Battle of Britain and during and after the D Day invasion.
As for Jap crap.If they were any good the MOD would obviously have gone to Hino to make the Commander instead of Scammell.
“CF”,are you claiming that had there not being any Hawker Hurricans involved in the Battle of Britian that we would have still won the battle with just Spitfires ? just answer yes or no please. Bewick.
Dave the Renegade:
gingerfold:
I vote that this is most fascinating and diversified thread ever to appear on Trucknet.Carryfast certainly knows how to hold his audience spellbound.
Well done to the ERGO cab, it obviously now cements its place in history as a world-beater.
Oh, and the final reason for the ultimate rapid defeat of Germany was lack of fuel due to the USAAF and Bomber Command destroying the German’s synthetic oil plants, grounding the Luftwaffe and immobilising the tank regiments.
Now can we get onto the war in the pacific against the Japanese please. There’s plenty to discuss there about Japanese engineering.
You will start them off shouting the odds about Hino’s now Graham.
Cheers Dave.
Ive only driven 1 Hino and to be fair it wasnt a bad motor apart from the fact that they are designed for midgets ,but then again you never see tall japs or tiddly winks
Bewick:
“CF”,are you claiming that had there not being any Hawker Hurricans involved in the Battle of Britian that we would have still won the battle with just Spitfires ? just answer yes or no please.
What I’m saying is that the Hurricane was a liability in not being an air superiority fighter it was really just a bomber killer.Whereas the Spitfire could do both jobs of killing bombers and fighters.Therefore yes ‘if’ Hawkers etc production had been turned over to the production of Spitfires and therefore our fighter force had been made up of ‘all’ Spitfires,instead of it being a mixture of Spits and more inferior aircraft like the Hurricane and Defiant etc,the German losses would have been even higher in that even less of them would have made it back to their bases while our losses would probably have been less in the case of those Hurricanes and Defiants etc that did get caught by 109’s.
IE more Spitfires using Hawkers production capacity to produce Spitfires ‘instead of’ producing Hurricanes.Not less aircraft by just getting rid of the Hurricane.
I think you’re confusing the idea of making up the numbers with inferior aircraft being a positive thing when what was needed was just all production of air superiority fighters like the Spit.Which is why,when that fact was eventually realised,the Hurricane played no further part in the later stages of WW2 as an air superiority fighter.While even ground attack aircraft needed to be able to look after themselves better than the Hurricane could in the form of the Hawker Tempest and American Thunderbolt.Not suprising considering that the idea of using the Hurricane in the later statges of WW2 would have been suicidal for it’s pilots.Being that the later versions of the 109,or the BMW FW 190 let alone the D9 ,would have torn the thing apart.
By the way if,I’ve read it right, we actually seem to be the only ones in agreement as a minority of two on here in saying that the ERGO was a heap of zb.
ramone:
Dave the Renegade:
gingerfold:
I vote that this is most fascinating and diversified thread ever to appear on Trucknet.Carryfast certainly knows how to hold his audience spellbound.
Well done to the ERGO cab, it obviously now cements its place in history as a world-beater.
Oh, and the final reason for the ultimate rapid defeat of Germany was lack of fuel due to the USAAF and Bomber Command destroying the German’s synthetic oil plants, grounding the Luftwaffe and immobilising the tank regiments.
Now can we get onto the war in the pacific against the Japanese please. There’s plenty to discuss there about Japanese engineering.
You will start them off shouting the odds about Hino’s now Graham.
Cheers Dave.I
ve only driven 1 Hino and to be fair it wasnt a bad motor apart from the fact that they are designed for midgets ,but then again you never see tall japs or tiddly winks
