Bewick:
I am suprised that “CF” hasn’t appeared to defend the “indefensible” but if there is a Full Moon at the moment? the blokes in White coats whip him into the asylum for a day or so,but have no fear when Matron allows him out he’ll be straight on the attack,it is too good an opertunity for him,someone new on the site to shower with his “verbage” but it is too late I fear as “spreadaxle” has already got him “bang to rights” as a certified head the ball !! Oh! dear! Bewick.
That would obviously explain that fleet of Ergos and Marathons which you bought to replace all those old Atki heaps instead of buying Scanias.
While unfortunately for me the sleeper cabbed TM 3800’s that I drove were fire trucks .
Fire engines with bunks in the cab? What are you smoking, that I can’t buy?
Believe it or not sleeper cabs weren’t an unusual spec for fire trucks.You’d be surprised how much space they need for the kit carried by the crews.They also had a crew compartment built behind the cab.
Can’t find any examples of the actual wagons in that case but here’s an example of something similar just imagine without the tower and a longer wheelbase.
While unfortunately for me the sleeper cabbed TM 3800’s that I drove were fire trucks .
Fire engines with bunks in the cab? What are you smoking, that I can’t buy?
Believe it or not that wasn’t an unusual spec for fire trucks.You’d be surprised how much space they need for the kit carried by the crews.They also had a crew compartment built behind the cab.
Nah, that’s not true either. Everyone knows they stand on the running boards.
While unfortunately for me the sleeper cabbed TM 3800’s that I drove were fire trucks .
Fire engines with bunks in the cab? What are you smoking, that I can’t buy?
Believe it or not that wasn’t an unusual spec for fire trucks.You’d be surprised how much space they need for the kit carried by the crews.They also had a crew compartment built behind the cab.
Nah, that’s not true either. Everyone knows they stand on the running boards.
Seems like your only experience of fire trucks is what you saw on Trumpton.No wonder you wouldn’t understand.
Some say that was a prototype convertible version of the ERGO for the Californian market.
Very funny Spreadaxel you think mag Truck was respected ? back then ? read Commercial Motor test of Volvo F10 , it set a new fuel economy record on the Skottish route , MR Pat Kennett went out some way to have a dig at Volvo to buck the trend no faults on F10 but how ever will the driver manage when in 2 or 3 years theTachograph has to be used , he will have to move indicator switch to open clock , but on Marathon cannot see in bad weather ,but lets hope for dry from now on Leyland had Cable brake controll wid foot valve on rear most crossmember cable clutch , cable throttle , to tilt kabine you throw gear lever on floor heavy on fuel , normal glass in windsreen , Kennett changed from engineer to journalist with slant that British is best , but he claim that all the Scania transmission failures , clutch , gearbox , prop , back axel diff and halfshafts was because of power of bid Scania engines ,and swedes could not make strong enough , but the slug LB80 even had these same problems and Volvo the other Swede did NOT , the Marathon 11 was better but for the mk1 the engineers were over ruled by the money men , but the old Volvo 88/89 was better than the Marathon, … let aside the space age F10/12 1977… ON THE TV NEWS the guy said its like watching a TV but WID THE SOUND TURNED OFF, Marathon was like rocking horse , sea sick ride
I had FH 66, JBC 234D an AEC, from new at BRS Bedford. The problems were a clutch that kept failing, mirrors that fogged up in the rain and a couple of broken injector pipes. I didn’t like the new braking system a lot, especially after I jack knifed on a patch ot black one night and ran up the rear of another lorry. I am currently writing a series of stories on working for BRS for the CVRTC newsletter, so if you want to know what it was really like to drive an ergo on tramping, join the CVRTC.
Lilladan:
Very funny Spreadaxel you think mag Truck was respected ? back then ? read Commercial Motor test of Volvo F10 , it set a new fuel economy record on the Skottish route , MR Pat Kennett went out some way to have a dig at Volvo to buck the trend no faults on F10 but how ever will the driver manage when in 2 or 3 years theTachograph has to be used , he will have to move indicator switch to open clock , but on Marathon cannot see in bad weather ,but lets hope for dry from now on Leyland had Cable brake controll wid foot valve on rear most crossmember cable clutch , cable throttle , to tilt kabine you throw gear lever on floor heavy on fuel , normal glass in windsreen , Kennett changed from engineer to journalist with slant that British is best , but he claim that all the Scania transmission failures , clutch , gearbox , prop , back axel diff and halfshafts was because of power of bid Scania engines ,and swedes could not make strong enough , but the slug LB80 even had these same problems and Volvo the other Swede did NOT , the Marathon 11 was better but for the mk1 the engineers were over ruled by the money men , but the old Volvo 88/89 was better than the Marathon, … let aside the space age F10/12 1977… ON THE TV NEWS the guy said its like watching a TV but WID THE SOUND TURNED OFF, Marathon was like rocking horse , sea sick ride
Hey Lilladan, I agree with you,however I’m an Sweed lover.I know from drivers and the Scania mecanics that the Marathon not loved but they were stronger as Scania’s on driveaxels,props and gearboxes.But as a driver if you was used to drive a Scania gearbox as a lover of easy changing and not have to think as with a Fuller you prefered a Scannie box. The weakness was not the drivers problem,as you know what I mean.
If you want you can react on my new topic faults,dis-likes andiscomforts. so we can not always run down the British and tell the Sweeds had their own weaknesses too.
Just how many of these V8 TMs did you drive then CF i cant imagine Carryfast using them what i can gather is you worked in a fire engine factory and you worked on trunking work for Carryfast hardly a testing job but you are so quick to put people down when the express a different opinion to yours.These men actually drove and in some cases operated the vehicles your having a go at .I for one would like to hear some of your experiences of drivimg V8 TMs maybe you coulf tell us how they compared tp F12s amd 142s when you were flying up and down motorways on nights
ramone:
Just how many of these V8 TMs did you drive then CF i cant imagine Carryfast using them what i can gather is you worked in a fire engine factory and you worked on trunking work for Carryfast hardly a testing job but you are so quick to put people down when the express a different opinion to yours.These men actually drove and in some cases operated the vehicles your having a go at .I for one would like to hear some of your experiences of drivimg V8 TMs maybe you coulf tell us how they compared tp F12s amd 142s when you were flying up and down motorways on nights
As I’ve said I knew the TM having sufficient experience of it in the course of it’s ( well suited use ) to the role of fire fighting vehicles.Which gave me a reasonable idea of it’s abilities both in terms of it’s performance,which is why it was such a good choice for fire fighting vehicles,and in terms of it’s advanced,for the time,comfort and space.I also had experience of using the Marathon in it’s ■■■■■■■ powered form on general haulage work,including the need to spend some nights out with it which,by comparison,was ( a lot ) slower and ( a lot ) less comfortable and had ( a lot ) less space.
The DAF 2800,Volvo F10 and TM 3800 were all in a different league to the Marathon let alone the DAF 3300,F12,142,and TM 4400.As I’ve said I actually worked for one of those guvnors who ‘I’m supposedly having a go at’ driving one of those Marathons in the mid 1980’s and he also ran an old F10.Even he agreed that the Marathon was just a cheap,cramped,heap of junk by comparison with the Volvo and luckily for me he agreed that both myself and the senior driver working for him should share the use of the Volvo and the Marathon on an equal rotating basis for that reason.
TM 3800 or Volvo F10 or Marathon the choice is yours.History shows that not many drivers ever preferred the Marathon to either of those.
ramone:
Just how many of these V8 TMs did you drive then CF i cant imagine Carryfast using them what i can gather is you worked in a fire engine factory and you worked on trunking work for Carryfast hardly a testing job but you are so quick to put people down when the express a different opinion to yours.These men actually drove and in some cases operated the vehicles your having a go at .I for one would like to hear some of your experiences of drivimg V8 TMs maybe you coulf tell us how they compared tp F12s amd 142s when you were flying up and down motorways on nights
As I’ve said I knew the TM having sufficient experience of it in the course of it’s ( well suited use ) to the role of fire fighting vehicles.Which gave me a reasonable idea of it’s abilities both in terms of it’s performance,which is why it was such a good choice for fire fighting vehicles,and in terms of it’s advanced,for the time,comfort and space.I also had experience of using the Marathon in it’s ■■■■■■■ powered form on general haulage work,including the need to spend some nights out with it which,by comparison,was ( a lot ) slower and ( a lot ) less comfortable and had ( a lot ) less space.
The DAF 2800,Volvo F10 and TM 3800 were all in a different league to the Marathon let alone the DAF 3300,F12,142,and TM 4400.As I’ve said I actually worked for one of those guvnors who ‘I’m supposedly having a go at’ driving one of those Marathons in the mid 1980’s and he also ran an old F10.Even he agreed that the Marathon was just a cheap,cramped,heap of junk by comparison with the Volvo and luckily for me he agreed that both myself and the senior driver working for him should share the use of the Volvo and the Marathon on an equal rotating basis for that reason.
TM 3800 or Volvo F10 or Marathon the choice is yours.History shows that not many drivers ever preferred the Marathon to either of those.
So let me get this straight,youre comparing a fire engine grossing 16 tons with an artic,sounds a bit odd to me , oh and youve never actually driven a V8 TM just read about them and obviously did what teenagers do in their bedrooms wtf?
ramone:
Just how many of these V8 TMs did you drive then CF i cant imagine Carryfast using them what i can gather is you worked in a fire engine factory and you worked on trunking work for Carryfast hardly a testing job but you are so quick to put people down when the express a different opinion to yours.These men actually drove and in some cases operated the vehicles your having a go at .I for one would like to hear some of your experiences of drivimg V8 TMs maybe you coulf tell us how they compared tp F12s amd 142s when you were flying up and down motorways on nights
As I’ve said I knew the TM having sufficient experience of it in the course of it’s ( well suited use ) to the role of fire fighting vehicles.Which gave me a reasonable idea of it’s abilities both in terms of it’s performance,which is why it was such a good choice for fire fighting vehicles,and in terms of it’s advanced,for the time,comfort and space.I also had experience of using the Marathon in it’s ■■■■■■■ powered form on general haulage work,including the need to spend some nights out with it which,by comparison,was ( a lot ) slower and ( a lot ) less comfortable and had ( a lot ) less space.
The DAF 2800,Volvo F10 and TM 3800 were all in a different league to the Marathon let alone the DAF 3300,F12,142,and TM 4400.As I’ve said I actually worked for one of those guvnors who ‘I’m supposedly having a go at’ driving one of those Marathons in the mid 1980’s and he also ran an old F10.Even he agreed that the Marathon was just a cheap,cramped,heap of junk by comparison with the Volvo and luckily for me he agreed that both myself and the senior driver working for him should share the use of the Volvo and the Marathon on an equal rotating basis for that reason.
TM 3800 or Volvo F10 or Marathon the choice is yours.History shows that not many drivers ever preferred the Marathon to either of those.
So let me get this straight,youre comparing a fire engine grossing 16 tons with an artic,sounds a bit odd to me , oh and youve never actually driven a V8 TM just read about them and obviously did what teenagers do in their bedrooms wtf?
Where did I say that .
Fire truck or artic who really gives a zb.Let’s just say that putting another 16 t on the thing would have just meant that it would have still been a lot faster than a V8 Mandator running at the equivalent weight.
ramone:
Just how many of these V8 TMs did you drive then CF i cant imagine Carryfast using them what i can gather is you worked in a fire engine factory and you worked on trunking work for Carryfast hardly a testing job but you are so quick to put people down when the express a different opinion to yours.These men actually drove and in some cases operated the vehicles your having a go at .I for one would like to hear some of your experiences of drivimg V8 TMs maybe you coulf tell us how they compared tp F12s amd 142s when you were flying up and down motorways on nights
As I’ve said I knew the TM having sufficient experience of it in the course of it’s ( well suited use ) to the role of fire fighting vehicles.Which gave me a reasonable idea of it’s abilities both in terms of it’s performance,which is why it was such a good choice for fire fighting vehicles,and in terms of it’s advanced,for the time,comfort and space.I also had experience of using the Marathon in it’s ■■■■■■■ powered form on general haulage work,including the need to spend some nights out with it which,by comparison,was ( a lot ) slower and ( a lot ) less comfortable and had ( a lot ) less space.
The DAF 2800,Volvo F10 and TM 3800 were all in a different league to the Marathon let alone the DAF 3300,F12,142,and TM 4400.As I’ve said I actually worked for one of those guvnors who ‘I’m supposedly having a go at’ driving one of those Marathons in the mid 1980’s and he also ran an old F10.Even he agreed that the Marathon was just a cheap,cramped,heap of junk by comparison with the Volvo and luckily for me he agreed that both myself and the senior driver working for him should share the use of the Volvo and the Marathon on an equal rotating basis for that reason.
TM 3800 or Volvo F10 or Marathon the choice is yours.History shows that not many drivers ever preferred the Marathon to either of those.
So let me get this straight,youre comparing a fire engine grossing 16 tons with an artic,sounds a bit odd to me , oh and youve never actually driven a V8 TM just read about them and obviously did what teenagers do in their bedrooms wtf?
Where did I say that .
Fire truck or artic who really gives a zb.Let’s just say that putting another 16 t on the thing would have just meant that it would have still been a lot faster than a V8 Mandator running at the equivalent weight.
Even though you`ve never driven either at any weight.You should try and listen and take in what these drivers on here are saying because they have driven both and actually know what they are talking about
I honestly don’t know why guys on here get into debates with certain individuals on this site who seem to take more joy out of ruining a good thread with inane rambling which seems to be purposely done to get the reaction you all give. If you don’t give them room on the stage they won’t be able to set up their soap box, a simple thread such as what was considered the better of the Ergo type vehicles asking for simple answers has again turned into pointless posts back and forth like kids arguing in the playground. Its all got much too boring for me, again! See ya.
Frankydobo:
I honestly don’t know why guys on here get into debates with certain individuals on this site who seem to take more joy out of ruining a good thread with inane rambling which seems to be purposely done to get the reaction you all give. If you don’t give them room on the stage they won’t be able to set up their soap box, a simple thread such as what was considered the better of the Ergo type vehicles asking for simple answers has again turned into pointless posts back and forth like kids arguing in the playground. Its all got much too boring for me, again! See ya.
Frankydobo:
I honestly don’t know why guys on here get into debates with certain individuals on this site who seem to take more joy out of ruining a good thread with inane rambling which seems to be purposely done to get the reaction you all give. If you don’t give them room on the stage they won’t be able to set up their soap box, a simple thread such as what was considered the better of the Ergo type vehicles asking for simple answers has again turned into pointless posts back and forth like kids arguing in the playground. Its all got much too boring for me, again! See ya.
I appologise Frank ,i just get sick of reading the rubbish written on here ,i should ignore but sometimes i react
Frankydobo:
I honestly don’t know why guys on here get into debates with certain individuals on this site who seem to take more joy out of ruining a good thread with inane rambling which seems to be purposely done to get the reaction you all give. If you don’t give them room on the stage they won’t be able to set up their soap box, a simple thread such as what was considered the better of the Ergo type vehicles asking for simple answers has again turned into pointless posts back and forth like kids arguing in the playground. Its all got much too boring for me, again! See ya.
When the Loon attempted to destroy a previous thread with his endlessly-repeated wrong opinions, I set up a thread called “US versus European vehicles”, for him to play in. Did he go there? Did he heck. He’s a troll. Those with a genuine interest in the twists and turns of the vehicle industry over the years would do well to resist replying to his nonsense. I just take the mickey now. I’ll stop doing that, if it helps.
Leyland had Cable brake controll wid 
