NewLad:
Well they’d have to tell you what each job is worth as that’s the contract.
How do you know what they’re telling you is correct?
It’s not 10% profit, it’s 10% of what the truck earns
No, its 10% of what you’re told it earns.
Conor:
NewLad:
Well they’d have to tell you what each job is worth as that’s the contract.How do you know what they’re telling you is correct?
It’s not 10% profit, it’s 10% of what the truck earns
No, its 10% of what you’re told it earns.
Whatever it is, its irrelevant now.
NewLad:
Well they’d have to tell you what each job is worth as that’s the contract.Just trying to weigh up if it’s worth doing or not.
One of their drivers who told me about the job said he earns between £650-£800 take home a week depend if he does 5/6 days including his night out money, I just can’t see it myself.
Well he must of seen you coming if he says he earns that kind of money on take home. to take home around £650 per week on 10% of his wagon earnings his wagon has got to earn about £8750 per week.
lizard:
NewLad:
Well they’d have to tell you what each job is worth as that’s the contract.Just trying to weigh up if it’s worth doing or not.
One of their drivers who told me about the job said he earns between £650-£800 take home a week depend if he does 5/6 days including his night out money, I just can’t see it myself.
Well he must of seen you coming if he says he earns that kind of money on take home. to take home around £650 per week on 10% of his wagon earnings his wagon has got to earn about £8750 per week.
If you read the full thread you will see your paid a basic wage + 10%
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NewLad:
lizard:
NewLad:
Well they’d have to tell you what each job is worth as that’s the contract.Just trying to weigh up if it’s worth doing or not.
One of their drivers who told me about the job said he earns between £650-£800 take home a week depend if he does 5/6 days including his night out money, I just can’t see it myself.
Well he must of seen you coming if he says he earns that kind of money on take home. to take home around £650 per week on 10% of his wagon earnings his wagon has got to earn about £8750 per week.
If you read the full thread you will see your paid a basic wage + 10%
I do apologise for my quote. I wrote, then read your 1st post again and realised that I hadn’t read it correctly.
Just to let you know that the 10% thing can work without busting your gut.
I get £475 + 10% over £2000 + £5 a day for turning up
Retired Old ■■■■:
Back in the 60s, 70s & 80s it was considered normal to pay bulk tipper drivers 17% of gross vehicle earnings, no basic. In all my years, I never found one employer who was willing to tell the driver what the vehicle’s earnings were and my wages never varied by more than about a fiver, no matter if I worked flat-out all week or was broken down for a couple of days. I did take it into my head to query my wages on a couple of occasions but was told, “If you don’t trust me, go & work elsewhere”.
Which I eventually did!
Rog is absolutely correct, this practice was outlawed years ago but no-one is actually going to police it. Not until an over-tired driver kills someone, then there is a huge outcry in the trade press before it all gets forgotten & the status quo is resumed.
many firms round this area still pay a % of earnings, with a basic to start, it works well the operator is not paying for a driver spinning it out and the driver is going to earn more if more work is done!
This is true ,sorts out the lazy zb s from the good workers .
Tartan11:
I’m paid a straight 20% of what the lorry makes in a week!
You’ll have spent this weeks wages on after sun cream!
lizard:
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lizard:
NewLad:
Well they’d have to tell you what each job is worth as that’s the contract.Just trying to weigh up if it’s worth doing or not.
One of their drivers who told me about the job said he earns between £650-£800 take home a week depend if he does 5/6 days including his night out money, I just can’t see it myself.
Well he must of seen you coming if he says he earns that kind of money on take home. to take home around £650 per week on 10% of his wagon earnings his wagon has got to earn about £8750 per week.
If you read the full thread you will see your paid a basic wage + 10%
I do apologise for my quote. I wrote, then read your 1st post again and realised that I hadn’t read it correctly.
No probs mate, I would be mug if I believed you could earn £800 a week of just 10%, I think it would be a hard push with the basic lol
Dan Punchard:
This is true ,sorts out the lazy zb s from the good workers .
Agreed Dan, I was on 27% with Eric (six wheel tipper) and I had rate sheets for all the quarries I worked from and worked my money out in advance, spot on every week. Do the job and get off home rather than sitting around in a lay-by to hang your day out, downside was when there was no work and then it was £40 a day (but at least then there was always some maintenance I could do on the truck), or late nights sat on surfacing jobs, but if waiting time was signed then there was no problem.
If you don’t know what the job pays though then you have to have a gaffer you can trust otherwise it is wide open for abuse.
Pete.
Any company not paying you an hourly rate for an agreed number of hours plus a known overtime rate after that is probably shafting you. All these weird and wonderful wage calculations are not for your benefit. They negotiate the rate with the customer and you cop out if it goes wrong !
lizard:
Just to let you know that the 10% thing can work without busting your gut.
I get £475 + 10% over £2000 + £5 a day for turning up
I’ve had a few stints on %age, sometimes it can work well, if your gaffer does it for the right reason, to motivate the hard worker and weed out the lazy or café happy worker. Provided the boss is happy to discuss rates with you, there should be no problem.
My last job but one, which finished in 2009 was %age based, a 5 day week basic, £420 + 10% of gross between £1000-£2000, then 20% of gross over £2000. Rarely worked weekends and didn’t need too, shame the recession did for that job 
In the 90’s worked a couple off places for 21%, one had no basic, and the other had something like a minimum earnings off £30 or £35 a day but in reality your %age was usually more 
it just don’t float everyones boat
oldhippyandy:
Any company not paying you an hourly rate for an agreed number of hours plus a known overtime rate after that is probably shafting you. All these weird and wonderful wage calculations are not for your benefit. They negotiate the rate with the customer and you cop out if it goes wrong !
I get paid on a productivity basis and I far out earn what people at other companies make per hour doing the same job (delivering bricks and pavers).
Goes to show Companies still operate what was or still is illegal methods of paying wages.
It is or was at one time illegal for Companies to have a system of payment that encouraged Drivers to break the law by paying on results ie percentage - tonnage -trip rate
When did the rules change■■?
As has been said incentive bonuses in transport industry are illegal as it compromises road safety.
A well known walking floor own account operator pays a basic + percentage of earnings, (don’t know how they get away with it legally) yet they never disclose to the driver what he makes and refuse to do so when asked (…I can’t think why ) so consequently he is unable to work out what his wage will be, so basically it is total BS to urge the driver to do more.
However most of their drivers (being drivers ) are thick enough to believe it 
, most of them teararse about like there is no tomorrow, where as my mate does the same job at a safe sensible pace and gets the same pay as the knobheads 
robroy:
As has been said incentive bonuses in transport industry are illegal as it compromises road safety.
A well known walking floor own account operator pays a basic + percentage of earnings, (don’t know how they get away with it legally) yet they never disclose to the driver what he makes and refuse to do so when asked (…I can’t think why
However most of their drivers (being drivers
Yep thats the wrong way off doing that job.
When I’ve been working on %age I’ve allways been able to see the job rates, and would allways do so on a regular basis, and had the right to turn down previously poorly paid runs.
lolipop:
Goes to show Companies still operate what was or still is illegal methods of paying wages.
It is or was at one time illegal for Companies to have a system of payment that encouraged Drivers to break the law by paying on results ie percentage - tonnage -trip rate
When did the rules change■■?
I beleave, though I’m prepared to be put right, that provided theyre is a basic pay in place, then a %age on top can be paid legally.
As for encouraging law breaking, I think you’ll find as many drivers breaking the law on Hourly pay as %age, either youre off that mind set or not.
Years ago I worked for a smallish family general haulier, when off our contracts was for a large International transport concern, guess which company had its TM and some off its drivers up in court for various hours offences, clue, it werent where I was working. Dont judge a book by its cover
robbiminator:
oldhippyandy:
Any company not paying you an hourly rate for an agreed number of hours plus a known overtime rate after that is probably shafting you. All these weird and wonderful wage calculations are not for your benefit. They negotiate the rate with the customer and you cop out if it goes wrong !I get paid on a productivity basis and I far out earn what people at other companies make per hour doing the same job (delivering bricks and pavers).
Yeah I’ve found the same, you take a bit off risk if things get slack, but reap better rewards when its busy
lolipop:
Goes to show Companies still operate what was or still is illegal methods of paying wages.
It is or was at one time illegal for Companies to have a system of payment that encouraged Drivers to break the law by paying on results ie percentage - tonnage -trip rate
When did the rules change■■?
The rules have not changed, how do you think the owner/operator of the truck gets paid?
out of all the trucks on the road today a few are hired on a day rate and the remainder are on either tonnage or a mileage/job rate, if every truck on the road was on a day rate you would need far more trucks to do the work as many would be parked up or spinning the job out!
A friend of mine drives for a bulk tipper operator of 60 artics ,they are paid on earnings ,there is no load he won’t carry and no place he won’t go ,Saturday ,Sunday ,2 am starts ,he’ll drive whatever they give him ,his wages are hundreds up on other drivers .paid on earnings would definatly suit me .
Dan Punchard:
A friend of mine drives for a bulk tipper operator of 60 artics ,they are paid on earnings ,there is no load he won’t carry and no place he won’t go ,Saturday ,Sunday ,2 am starts ,he’ll drive whatever they give him ,his wages are hundreds up on other drivers .paid on earnings would definatly suit me .
Yes Dan, you have to prepared to graft but I managed fine and enjoyed finding work when ‘my’ regular place was slack. You learned to avoid working from the places where the bus fare was higher than the haulage rate though! 
You lose on some obviously but overall if the truck was making money then so was I. You can only do so much work in a day anyway so tearing around doesn’t really make much difference, apart from your Blood Pressure and extra repairs to the vehicle!
Pete.