ramone:
The Iveco engines were bullet proof the rest was a joke we had a fleet of Turbo Tecs and Turbo Stars in the late 80s and early 90s the engines never missed a beat but everything else fell apart.:
That probably explains why they decided to import the TM instead of buying their own FIAT/IVECO products. But however bad the FIAT/IVECO might have been it obviously couldānt have been as bad as a Gardner powered Atki and if the Scania was better than a TM theyād have bought a Scania instead.
ramone:
The Iveco engines were bullet proof the rest was a joke we had a fleet of Turbo Tecs and Turbo Stars in the late 80s and early 90s the engines never missed a beat but everything else fell apart.:
That probably explains why they decided to import the TM instead of buying their own FIAT/IVECO products. But however bad the FIAT/IVECO might have been it obviously couldānt have been as bad as a Gardner powered Atki and if the Scania was better than a TM theyād have bought a Scania instead.
ramone:
The Iveco engines were bullet proof the rest was a joke we had a fleet of Turbo Tecs and Turbo Stars in the late 80s and early 90s the engines never missed a beat but everything else fell apart.:
That probably explains why they decided to import the TM instead of buying their own FIAT/IVECO products. But however bad the FIAT/IVECO might have been it obviously couldānt have been as bad as a Gardner powered Atki and if the Scania was better than a TM theyād have bought a Scania instead.
Looks like weāve got āall the deseasesā in one bag here lads!!! 1)Carryfast,2)DD engines,3)Fiat/Iveco,4) Italy/Italians!!! And no I wouldnāt think for one minute that the other lads on the site take a blind bit of notice of Carryfastās diatribe! If any of them do they must be sadder than Carryfast! But āfair doāsā he gets 10 out of 10 for perservering against what must seem like overwhelming odds!! Talk about swimming against the tide,Carryfast could swim against a Tsunami!!! Cheers Bewick.
ramone:
The Iveco engines were bullet proof the rest was a joke we had a fleet of Turbo Tecs and Turbo Stars in the late 80s and early 90s the engines never missed a beat but everything else fell apart.:
That probably explains why they decided to import the TM instead of buying their own FIAT/IVECO products. But however bad the FIAT/IVECO might have been it obviously couldānt have been as bad as a Gardner powered Atki and if the Scania was better than a TM theyād have bought a Scania instead.
Do you think it may have been something to do with price,the Ivecos were buy 1 get 1 free and im sure Dennis will back me on this one Scania dont like giving discounts cos they have a sellable product that holds its value well after the Ivecos have died
ramone:
The Iveco engines were bullet proof the rest was a joke we had a fleet of Turbo Tecs and Turbo Stars in the late 80s and early 90s the engines never missed a beat but everything else fell apart.:
That probably explains why they decided to import the TM instead of buying their own FIAT/IVECO products. But however bad the FIAT/IVECO might have been it obviously couldānt have been as bad as a Gardner powered Atki and if the Scania was better than a TM theyād have bought a Scania instead.
Do you think it may have been something to do with price,the Ivecos were buy 1 get 1 free and im sure Dennis will back me on this one Scania dont like giving discounts cos they have a sellable product that holds its value well after the Ivecos have died
Spot on there āramoneā in later years I did start getting a small discount on new Scanias(5%IIRC) but in earlier years I sometimes got the 5th kit thrown in and mudflaps ect.What I always made sure I got was one or two new anoraks and I think there is one that they gave the Wife (which we still have brand new) which is supposed to be a collectors item now because of the inside lining which is a montage of Scania vehicles throughout the years! By the way I hope you are not āon the stonesā for long and you get a new start soon!! Cheers Dennis.
I seem to remember that Fiat / UNIC Iveco were the first to offer guaranteed buyback and because of this they managed to sell a few more oxidised camiones
ramone:
The Iveco engines were bullet proof the rest was a joke we had a fleet of Turbo Tecs and Turbo Stars in the late 80s and early 90s the engines never missed a beat but everything else fell apart.:
That probably explains why they decided to import the TM instead of buying their own FIAT/IVECO products. But however bad the FIAT/IVECO might have been it obviously couldānt have been as bad as a Gardner powered Atki and if the Scania was better than a TM theyād have bought a Scania instead.
Do you think it may have been something to do with price,the Ivecos were buy 1 get 1 free and im sure Dennis will back me on this one Scania dont like giving discounts cos they have a sellable product that holds its value well after the Ivecos have died
Spot on there āramoneā in later years I did start getting a small discount on new Scanias(5%IIRC) but in earlier years I sometimes got the 5th kit thrown in and mudflaps ect.What I always made sure I got was one or two new anoraks and I think there is one that they gave the Wife (which we still have brand new) which is supposed to be a collectors item now because of the inside lining which is a montage of Scania vehicles throughout the years! By the way I hope you are not āon the stonesā for long and you get a new start soon!! Cheers Dennis.
If those anoraks are a bit on the small side for you Dennis,they might fit me .
ramone:
The Iveco engines were bullet proof the rest was a joke we had a fleet of Turbo Tecs and Turbo Stars in the late 80s and early 90s the engines never missed a beat but everything else fell apart.:
That probably explains why they decided to import the TM instead of buying their own FIAT/IVECO products. But however bad the FIAT/IVECO might have been it obviously couldānt have been as bad as a Gardner powered Atki and if the Scania was better than a TM theyād have bought a Scania instead.
Do you think it may have been something to do with price,the Ivecos were buy 1 get 1 free and im sure Dennis will back me on this one Scania dont like giving discounts cos they have a sellable product that holds its value well after the Ivecos have died
But Iād bet that Bedford never offered anyone a bogof deal on a TM 4400 but they still managed to sell them in the Italian market because everyone (except many of the lot on here) knew that if you wanted something that can climb mountains at a decent speed, pulling decent weights,then the Bedford was better than a Scania V8 let alone a six cylinder one.But Iād have offered Dennis a lot more for a used V8 Fiat than two of his old Gardner powered Atkis.
ramone:
The Iveco engines were bullet proof the rest was a joke we had a fleet of Turbo Tecs and Turbo Stars in the late 80s and early 90s the engines never missed a beat but everything else fell apart.:
That probably explains why they decided to import the TM instead of buying their own FIAT/IVECO products. But however bad the FIAT/IVECO might have been it obviously couldānt have been as bad as a Gardner powered Atki and if the Scania was better than a TM theyād have bought a Scania instead.
Do you think it may have been something to do with price,the Ivecos were buy 1 get 1 free and im sure Dennis will back me on this one Scania dont like giving discounts cos they have a sellable product that holds its value well after the Ivecos have died
But Iād bet that Bedford never offered anyone a bogof deal on a TM 4400 but they still managed to sell them in the Italian market because everyone (except many of the lot on here) knew that if you wanted something that can climb mountains at a decent speed, pulling decent weights,then the Bedford was better than a Scania V8 let alone a six cylinder one.But Iād have offered Dennis a lot more for a used V8 Fiat than two of his old Gardner powered Atkis.
Hiya C/fast,you sound like you have been in the ātradeā my son ------ albeit at the very bottom of the manufactures list----I canāt make my mind up wether your career move from Bedford to Fiat was an improvement or a step down???You certainly had a long way up the ladder to climb to become a Scania or an Atki āsales excecutiveā!!! Then again I always thought that the demeaner of the salesman was a direct reflection of the quality of the kit he was sellingāBingoā"Carryfast= Bedford/FiatāYou wonāt get a better match than thatāperfick!!! Cheers Dennis.
ramone:
The Iveco engines were bullet proof the rest was a joke we had a fleet of Turbo Tecs and Turbo Stars in the late 80s and early 90s the engines never missed a beat but everything else fell apart.:
That probably explains why they decided to import the TM instead of buying their own FIAT/IVECO products. But however bad the FIAT/IVECO might have been it obviously couldānt have been as bad as a Gardner powered Atki and if the Scania was better than a TM theyād have bought a Scania instead.
Do you think it may have been something to do with price,the Ivecos were buy 1 get 1 free and im sure Dennis will back me on this one Scania dont like giving discounts cos they have a sellable product that holds its value well after the Ivecos have died
But Iād bet that Bedford never offered anyone a bogof deal on a TM 4400 but they still managed to sell them in the Italian market because everyone (except many of the lot on here) knew that if you wanted something that can climb mountains at a decent speed, pulling decent weights,then the Bedford was better than a Scania V8 let alone a six cylinder one.But Iād have offered Dennis a lot more for a used V8 Fiat than two of his old Gardner powered Atkis.
Hiya C/fast,you sound like you have been in the ātradeā my son ------ albeit at the very bottom of the manufactures list----I canāt make my mind up wether your career move from Bedford to Fiat was an improvement or a step down???You certainly had a long way up the ladder to climb to become a Scania or an Atki āsales excecutiveā!!! Then again I always thought that the demeaner of the salesman was a direct reflection of the quality of the kit he was sellingāBingoā"Carryfast= Bedford/FiatāYou wonāt get a better match than thatāperfick!!! Cheers Dennis.
Blimey Bewick Iād have considered it an insult if anyone said that Iād been āpromotedā to making the case for buying a Fiat but everything is relative and credit where itās due in that even a V8 Fiat thatās falling to bits as itās climbing up to the Blanc at warp factor 5 has to be better than taking all day to get up there with a Gardner powered Atki and if Iād have been lucky enough to have been running on that work as an owner driver then Iād have kept the Bedford and flogged the Fiat āifā Iād have found someone who was daft enough to flog me a used one of each as a bogof offer for the same price as a used Scania or a new Atki . .
ramone:
The Iveco engines were bullet proof the rest was a joke we had a fleet of Turbo Tecs and Turbo Stars in the late 80s and early 90s the engines never missed a beat but everything else fell apart.:
That probably explains why they decided to import the TM instead of buying their own FIAT/IVECO products. But however bad the FIAT/IVECO might have been it obviously couldānt have been as bad as a Gardner powered Atki and if the Scania was better than a TM theyād have bought a Scania instead.
Do you think it may have been something to do with price,the Ivecos were buy 1 get 1 free and im sure Dennis will back me on this one Scania dont like giving discounts cos they have a sellable product that holds its value well after the Ivecos have died
But Iād bet that Bedford never offered anyone a bogof deal on a TM 4400 but they still managed to sell them in the Italian market because everyone (except many of the lot on here) knew that if you wanted something that can climb mountains at a decent speed, pulling decent weights,then the Bedford was better than a Scania V8 let alone a six cylinder one.But Iād have offered Dennis a lot more for a used V8 Fiat than two of his old Gardner powered Atkis.
Hiya C/fast,you sound like you have been in the ātradeā my son ------ albeit at the very bottom of the manufactures list----I canāt make my mind up wether your career move from Bedford to Fiat was an improvement or a step down???You certainly had a long way up the ladder to climb to become a Scania or an Atki āsales excecutiveā!!! Then again I always thought that the demeaner of the salesman was a direct reflection of the quality of the kit he was sellingāBingoā"Carryfast= Bedford/FiatāYou wonāt get a better match than thatāperfick!!! Cheers Dennis.
Blimey Bewick Iād have considered it an insult if anyone said that Iād been āpromotedā to making the case for buying a Fiat but everything is relative and credit where itās due in that even a V8 Fiat thatās falling to bits as itās climbing up to the Blanc at warp factor 5 has to be better than taking all day to get up there with a Gardner powered Atki and if Iād have been lucky enough to have been running on that work as an owner driver then Iād have kept the Bedford and flogged the Fiat āifā Iād have found someone who was daft enough to flog me a used one of each as a bogof offer for the same price as a used Scania or a new Atki . .
Fair play Carryfast.I can see that Bewick and yourself would make good peace envoys to send to the Middle East,you two would sort out the problems in no time .
A real 1970ās long haul machine there Boatchaserā¦Spot lights under the bumper in the frameā¦Airhorn with the pull chordā¦American number plates galore and of course the obligatory hanging bucket in the front towing pinā¦a great era
Riverstick:
A real 1970ās long haul machine there Boatchaserā¦Spot lights under the bumper in the frameā¦Airhorn with the pull chordā¦American number plates galore and of course the obligatory hanging bucket in the front towing pinā¦a great era
Spot on there āramoneā in later years I did start getting a small discount on new Scanias(5%IIRC) but in earlier years I sometimes got the 5th kit thrown in and mudflaps ect.What I always made sure I got was one or two new anoraks and I think there is one that they gave the Wife (which we still have brand new) which is supposed to be a collectors item now because of the inside lining which is a montage of Scania vehicles throughout the years! By the way I hope you are not āon the stonesā for long and you get a new start soon!! Cheers Dennis.
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We got 5 new Scanias on lease from Hill Hire last year after almost tying up the deal with Scania themselves, believe it or not Hill Hire came up with a very slightly better deal,i had to fight for these as our fleet manager was dead against them favouring the much cheaper Daf CF 85s complete with all the ad blue and abs faults,my point is and i think Carryfast is missing it you dont get (or we dont) the problems with the Scanias you get with cheaper vehicles I can see his point of not going over the Blanc in an Atki with a Gardner in it but they werent designed to do that.The 180 Gardner and the Atkis hes talking about were designed before we had the large motorway networks they had abroad.the problem was they never improved on them The big engined TMs were obviously excellent vehicles thats why theres so many about today (not) Wasn`t it an attempt as with the Ford Transcontinental to produce a big cab and put a big engine under it and hope it would work.
I may have something soon Dennis its a waiting game at the moment i may have to go on the agency until then thanks anyway
ramone:
Spot on there āramoneā in later years I did start getting a small discount on new Scanias(5%IIRC) but in earlier years I sometimes got the 5th kit thrown in and mudflaps ect.What I always made sure I got was one or two new anoraks and I think there is one that they gave the Wife (which we still have brand new) which is supposed to be a collectors item now because of the inside lining which is a montage of Scania vehicles throughout the years! By the way I hope you are not āon the stonesā for long and you get a new start soon!! Cheers Dennis.
We got 5 new Scanias on lease from Hill Hire last year after almost tying up the deal with Scania themselves, believe it or not Hill Hire came up with a very slightly better deal,i had to fight for these as our fleet manager was dead against them favouring the much cheaper Daf CF 85s complete with all the ad blue and abs faults,my point is and i think Carryfast is missing it you dont get (or we dont) the problems with the Scanias you get with cheaper vehicles I can see his point of not going over the Blanc in an Atki with a Gardner in it but they werent designed to do that.The 180 Gardner and the Atkis hes talking about were designed before we had the large motorway networks they had abroad.the problem was they never improved on them The big engined TMs were obviously excellent vehicles thats why theres so many about today (not) Wasn`t it an attempt as with the Ford Transcontinental to produce a big cab and put a big engine under it and hope it would work.
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The problem with Atkis etc wasānt that they ānever improved on themā itās that they couldānt improve on them because the British guvnors at the time were still in the stone age pre motorway uk domestic only running era and wouldānt have bought them if they did.The fact is that the Transcon and the TM (and the big V8 FIAT) were ahead of their time.They actually pioneered something better in the idea of comfort and big power for the Euro and UK maret based on American ideology but Scania jumped on the same bandwagon and were better placed and established in the development of similar ideas,because of the demands in their home market,when the guvnors here finally realised that Bedford and Ford were right. But anyone whoās ever known what a TM 4400 performed like would know that itās formula of decent cab and engine did work probably better than the V8 Scania.
By the time I read all that Garbage my head was spinningand my teeth were itching!!! I bet that abortion couldnāt pull the skin off of a rice pudding!!! Anyway I heard you had gone to live on the ādark side of the moonā Carryfast? But we will allow you back onto the thread as we have just got rid of a b****r t**t than you ever were!!! The new slogan now is ācome back āCarryfastā all is forgivenā providing of course you quit slavering about DDs and let us educate you about āproper motorsā OK! Cheers Bewick.
Why no Bedford TM 's in the Bewick fleet? I note that WA Glendinning had one.
IMHO āGeorgeā I quickly realised that above 16 ton gvw,Fords and Bedfords were out of their depth and the parameters applied to the mass production of smaller vehicles were not ,in any way, relevant to the heavy commercial sectors.The nearest I ever got at Bewick Transport to lowering our established standards was to allow a couple of Iveco demos and the odd a.n.other of similar spec into the fleet(with no possibility of us ever weakening our resolve not to purchase any) The Fords/Bedfords were not just up to the demands of an intensive maximum weight operation similar to ours.I rest my case! Dennis.
Yet you ran underpowered GUYās, Seddons and Seddon Atkinsons!
But however bad the FIAT/IVECO might have been it obviously couldānt have been as bad as a Gardner powered Atki 
