I agree ,twin rear axles on an empty rigid in wet weather are lethal.
Holy Crap she’s gone.
Carryfast:
kr79:
In Canada we have these conditions for months and most firms respect the drivers judgement if they shut down due to the weather. And despite what people often expect the ploughing/gritting plan can be hit and miss and sassketchwan are a joke the UK highways agency would run rings round themTo be fair the distances to be covered over there are much more which would probably create just as many problems here for our highways authorities.Added to which is often lower temperatures in which case salt won’t work anyway and just adds to the problems if it melts snow which then re freezes again causing ice.As for jacknifing sorry but I’ll stick with the idea that euro spec single drive axle units wouldn’t stand a chance in a decent North American winter.
Which is why no one over there ( rightly ) wants the things to be used in zb conditions and it’s that which is one of the main causes of euro heaps ending up folded into a V shape at the first sign of slippery conditions here.While no one is saying that a few artics there don’t end up in ditches I think the speed differences can probably account for that in many cases.
Taking everything into account,on a like with like basis,the British road transport system would probably sieze up completely if it was faced with the same conditions as an average North American winter,especially in the worst type of conditions.
The long wheelbase realy helps Ive found myself making funny shapes going down the road.admitedly when the snow comes down there’s not a lot they can do until it stops and grit etc can be limited use but some areas are worse than others but a lot is to do with much less traffic.
Thankfully most companies relying on trucks here are resigned to the fact you may be held up and the UK jit culture wouldn’t work here and thankfully most firms trust the person behind the wheels judgement if it comes to parking it up for a bit.
I never done general haulage much in the UK and font think I could.
RIP drive!!
why is it we can defect and refuse to drive trucks for allsorts of reasons, with a lot of companies going to the point of calling fitters out ect to replace light fittings ect yet if you refuse to take a truck out because of bad weather then the laughs start and the man up comments ect,
we are not canada, switzerland, poland ect but the UK we get snow but for a couple of days at a time, not for prolonged periods of time, so is that load really neccessary? does it really have to be there for the booking in time?
The entrance into that wheelwash looks a bit dodgy think I would give that place a miss. Eddie.
Having gone past the site again today, I’m doubtful if the weather was a factor in this. The damage was extensive and I can only think that the speed was high. The diesel tank had split and the front tyre was destroyed in addition to the general carnage.
The layby has been re-tarmaced which I find incredible that they could muster the money and manpower to repair a layby along a road where there are loads but there are bits of actual road in dire need of repair.
R.i.p driver
Carryfast:
kr79:
In Canada we have these conditions for months and most firms respect the drivers judgement if they shut down due to the weather. And despite what people often expect the ploughing/gritting plan can be hit and miss and sassketchwan are a joke the UK highways agency would run rings round themTo be fair the distances to be covered over there are much more which would probably create just as many problems here for our highways authorities.Added to which is often lower temperatures in which case salt won’t work anyway and just adds to the problems if it melts snow which then re freezes again causing ice.As for jacknifing sorry but I’ll stick with the idea that euro spec single drive axle units wouldn’t stand a chance in a decent North American winter.
Which is why no one over there ( rightly ) wants the things to be used in zb conditions and it’s that which is one of the main causes of euro heaps ending up folded into a V shape at the first sign of slippery conditions here.While no one is saying that a few artics there don’t end up in ditches I think the speed differences can probably account for that in many cases.
Taking everything into account,on a like with like basis,the British road transport system would probably sieze up completely if it was faced with the same conditions as an average North American winter,especially in the worst type of conditions.
Sorry to dispel that myth Carryfast but I’m here and you’re not. Just last week I plodded on through a relatively normal snow storm that lasted for about 30 miles and I counted 14 trucks that had gone off the road. 13 jacknifed either in to the central reservation or off the hard shoulder and one had turned completely over on to its side in the central reservation. The only saving grace over here, especially in Canada is that its much colder than the UK and as such we dont get much of that awful slippery ice, its very dry and you can drive along on the limiter at 65mph or whatever and come to a stop in not much less distance than on a dry road. I know, I’ve done it. However, when we get UK style slushy snow/ice then we have just as many trucks and cars off the road here.
Carryfast:
kr79:
In Canada we have these conditions for months and most firms respect the drivers judgement if they shut down due to the weather. And despite what people often expect the ploughing/gritting plan can be hit and miss and sassketchwan are a joke the UK highways agency would run rings round themTo be fair the distances to be covered over there are much more which would probably create just as many problems here for our highways authorities.Added to which is often lower temperatures in which case salt won’t work anyway and just adds to the problems if it melts snow which then re freezes again causing ice.As for jacknifing sorry but I’ll stick with the idea that euro spec single drive axle units wouldn’t stand a chance in a decent North American winter.
Which is why no one over there ( rightly ) wants the things to be used in zb conditions and it’s that which is one of the main causes of euro heaps ending up folded into a V shape at the first sign of slippery conditions here.While no one is saying that a few artics there don’t end up in ditches I think the speed differences can probably account for that in many cases.
Taking everything into account,on a like with like basis,the British road transport system would probably sieze up completely if it was faced with the same conditions as an average North American winter,especially in the worst type of conditions.
watch that programe about wreckers in canada i think it is,eye opener,
It’s pretty good and an accurate picture of winter here
robinhood_1984:
Carryfast:
kr79:
In Canada we have these conditions for months and most firms respect the drivers judgement if they shut down due to the weather. And despite what people often expect the ploughing/gritting plan can be hit and miss and sassketchwan are a joke the UK highways agency would run rings round themTo be fair the distances to be covered over there are much more which would probably create just as many problems here for our highways authorities.Added to which is often lower temperatures in which case salt won’t work anyway and just adds to the problems if it melts snow which then re freezes again causing ice.As for jacknifing sorry but I’ll stick with the idea that euro spec single drive axle units wouldn’t stand a chance in a decent North American winter.
Which is why no one over there ( rightly ) wants the things to be used in zb conditions and it’s that which is one of the main causes of euro heaps ending up folded into a V shape at the first sign of slippery conditions here.While no one is saying that a few artics there don’t end up in ditches I think the speed differences can probably account for that in many cases.
Taking everything into account,on a like with like basis,the British road transport system would probably sieze up completely if it was faced with the same conditions as an average North American winter,especially in the worst type of conditions.
Sorry to dispel that myth Carryfast but I’m here and you’re not. Just last week I plodded on through a relatively normal snow storm that lasted for about 30 miles and I counted 14 trucks that had gone off the road. 13 jacknifed either in to the central reservation or off the hard shoulder and one had turned completely over on to its side in the central reservation. The only saving grace over here, especially in Canada is that its much colder than the UK and as such we dont get much of that awful slippery ice, its very dry and you can drive along on the limiter at 65mph or whatever and come to a stop in not much less distance than on a dry road. I know, I’ve done it. However, when we get UK style slushy snow/ice then we have just as many trucks and cars off the road here.
The weather last week was very like British snow lost count of how many I see in the ditch between winnipeg and Regina on the trans Canada thankfully it’s a lot quiter than the m1 lol
kr79:
The weather last week was very like British snow lost count of how many I see in the ditch between winnipeg and Regina on the trans Canada thankfully it’s a lot quiter than the m1 lol
Same as the storm I had in Virginia. I dont think we’re less prone to going off the road here, if anything it’ll happen more often in North America because in England once there’s a crash of any kind the whole road grinds to a halt for hours and hundreds, if not thousands of vehicles are stuck in the jam, but unable to crash themselves whereas over here a truck crashes off the road and no on really bats an eye lid, so then another one crashes a mile up the road, another two miles further and so on. I think the the difference is that in the UK they’re not prepared for it so when it happens its a huge trauma, people panic about the snow and its a huge big deal but here its just a standard part of life that comes every year and everyone knows whats going to happen. Trucks crash, a lot of trucks crash but thats what we get for living where we do.
Harry Monk:
RIP to the driver but if road conditions were that bad in east Anglia- and two jackknifed lorries suggest they were- then management should not have sent the trucks out.
The first Jack knife on the A14 was a Subbie in a liveried motor.
The second could of just hit a patch of ice.
The third on the 130 was believed to be taken Ill at the wheel. Rip mate.
How you think management can be responsible for constant changing weather and road conditions ill never know. A bit of a dumb arse thing to say if I’m honest.
MR VAIN:
The third on the 130 was believed to be taken Ill at the wheel. Rip mate.
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It was one of our motors that the Bartrums driver hit, our driver had been told that the Bartrums driver had taken ill at wheel.
RIP to the driver from Bartrums, A bad day for any hualier, when they lose a driver, but worse day for the family.
eddie snax:
MR VAIN:
The third on the 130 was believed to be taken Ill at the wheel. Rip mate.
.It was one of our motors that the Bartrums driver hit, our driver had been told that the Bartrums driver had taken ill at wheel.
RIP to the driver from Bartrums, A bad day for any hualier, when they lose a driver, but worse day for the family.
It affects everyone, even the driver he had hit. Not nice to hear though, or talk about it on a forum about who’s to blame etc (Not saying your blaming anyone)
mickyblue:
eddie snax:
MR VAIN:
The third on the 130 was believed to be taken Ill at the wheel. Rip mate.
.It was one of our motors that the Bartrums driver hit, our driver had been told that the Bartrums driver had taken ill at wheel.
RIP to the driver from Bartrums, A bad day for any hualier, when they lose a driver, but worse day for the family.
It affects everyone, even the driver he had hit. Not nice to hear though, or talk about it on a forum about who’s to blame etc (Not saying your blaming anyone)
Certainly not blaming anyone, I made the post to back up what Rob had been lead to beleave, I’d heard basicaly the same thing about the incident, but from a completly diferent and totaly reliable person.