robbo99.:
I usually find that people who quote chapter and verse tend to be rather ■■■■.
A slang term for knowing what the details are and knowing how and when to use them to best effect. In relation to the haulage industry that means being on the ball when dealing with the OTC, DVSA, Police, and Uncle Tom Cobbly and all. So in that respect, just like any responsible TM and DGSA, I proudly revel in my attention to legalese detail, (though I’m holding my hands up to not knowing Tilsbury was in Essex). Even though you are trying to use it as a pejorative, I thank you for the unintended backhanded compliment.
robbo99.:
Your average man in the street would have to be akin to a modern day Philadelphia lawyer to take onboard anywhere near all the legislations and regulations that apply to road haulage and indeed driving in general and therefore in its current format the DCPC can only be a tick box nonsense.
A good DCPC will be far from just a tick box exercise and will include some thorough assessment, albeit not done under strict examination conditions. I won’t disagree that there are many poor quality DCPC course providers. We’ve already agreed that testing should by compulsory.
To achieve professional competence one is required to sit 35 hours “training” over a 5 year period, if that said individual is more concerned during the training about whats going to be on the table for tea or what’s happening later on Coronation Street, does that really make them professionally competent?
See point above on good DCPCs. A responsible vocational driver being actively engaged, by a good trainer with decent up-to-date knowledge, who has the ability get people to participate, so that he/she can get that info across properly, shouldn’t find themselves so bored as to be thinking about tea and rubbish TV.
Obviously the same can’t be said for those guys who are waiting until July or August 2024 to think about renewing their DQCs (the “common renewal date” being 09.09.24 for those that were around when the scheme came in).
I certainley don’t pretend to know it all, regarding transport, I passed my CPC Transport Managers course in 2007 and if I were to become a Transport Manager right now I would be like a fish out of water, the required refresher course would bring me a lot closer than I am now to current legislations and regulations and then the bible, ( I mean Lowes) would give me plenty to get stuck into
DCPC is thankfully not my concern these days (ADR excluded) but TM Refreshers are still a regular service I am involved in delivering, so here’s a freebie: Lowes is out of date as soon as, of not before, it goes to press. My TM Refresher candidates get something far better for today’s constantly evolving industry, and it is included in the course fees, not a £59.99 add on cost (current Amazon price).
but atleast with that TRAINING I sat an extremely worthwhile course with an exam which sorted the wheat from the chaff.
No exams for TM refreshers, and there are plenty of “chaff” active TMs with the TMCPC qualification, which is why the OTC are so keen on sending people for mandatory TM Refreshers: These make up about 80-90% of the people I see.
I like the way you dissected my previous post virtually word for word but failed to pick up on the “jumped up tick box merchant”, i’m wondereing if there were a reason for that? 
Yes very much so a reason to deliberately ignore it, I was doing you a courtesy, sorry you missed the obvious, because you’re now forcing me to say why I ignored it:
Basically it’s just water off a duck’s back to me. Weak adolescent (at best) attempts at trying to be cool, funny or provocative… I’ve seen this countless times when I used to deliver DCPC. I found that generally most other attendees were similarly unimpressed by the “comedian”, who were never as funny to other people as they were in their own head.
More fundamentally, I ignored it because it’s the same reason I have not to respond when my teenage kids have a tantrum with me, I don’t respond to childish petulance, whether that’s the slamming of house doors or childish insults on TN.
Edited for spelling mistakes, because I’m ■■■■, apparently…
) is part of 2020/1054 but was not enforced until fairly recently.
