JeffA:
Conor:
JeffA:
Its such a pittance its hardly worth claimingIt may be a pittance but it also keeps you NI contributions going which will affect how much state pension you get. It’s also a gateway benefit so it opens up access to other things such as free prescriptions, free dental, social tariffs for broadband and gas/electricity and for many they’d also be eligible for housing benefit which could pay more per week than the JSA is.
I got 73 quid.
You should be getting £77 pw
There are so many jobs vacant these days (non-skilled) that no one really has any excuse not to go get one, rather than sit on one’s hands, and let the next EE along take it as usual.
Turn up at a warehouse, depot, Recyling Unit, or even Retail Shop these days - and you’ll see most staff are now EEs.
JSA being so low you’d think would encourage people out of work to shovels hit if they had to. In sectors like our own - Unskilled work pays a decent premium over minimum wage these days as well, at least on advertized agency contracts…
NO excuses then.
Who are all these people who’d rather languish on JSA rather than “Sign up with an agency” to get such work?
Winseer:
There are so many jobs vacant these days (non-skilled) that no one really has any excuse not to go get one, rather than sit on one’s hands, and let the next EE along take it as usual.
Turn up at a warehouse, depot, Recyling Unit, or even Retail Shop these days - and you’ll see most staff are now EEs.
JSA being so low you’d think would encourage people out of work to shovels hit if they had to. In sectors like our own - Unskilled work pays a decent premium over minimum wage these days as well, at least on advertized agency contracts…NO excuses then.
Who are all these people who’d rather languish on JSA rather than “Sign up with an agency” to get such work?
Trouble is most unskilled work is paid so low you can’t pay the bills on it. I heard a woman saying child-care would cost her £42 grand a year - so she’d need a job paying £42 grand just to pay the child care. Obviously you stay at home and claim benefits. If jobs paid enough money to pay the bills like they used to in the seventies it would be a different situation. JSA is low but if you are paying rent you can also get help with the rent. Agency work probably wouldn’t be enough to pay the rent. Most agency work I see is minimum wage.
Rock bottom pay is killing the economy.
Winseer:
Big Truck:
Conor:
JeffA:
How much do the agency get compared to the rate they pay you? The last agency I was at paid me £11.50 an hour while they got £23 an hour.Don’t forget that on top of the £11.50 they pay you they’ve got 12.07% for your holiday pay, 3% for employers workplace contribution, 13% employers NI and 0.4% apprenticeship levy to pay before they see a profit. I doubt very much that if you were on £11.50 they were charging £23. Might be somewhere close to that if it included VAT but typical agency profit is around £1.50-£2/hr ex-VAT above your rate plus those other expenses of employment they have to pay.
Maybe in haulage but it’s DEFO not true ref a nursing home because I’ve personally seen the agency invoices compared to what they actually pay the Auxiliaries/Nurses!!!
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Is it not possible for Medical staff to negotiate for higher rates - in the form of a supply/demand curve against shifts they have to cover vs the staff willing to cover them?
I’d imagine you get paid a lot more for working across weekends/nights than the standard 9-5 monday-friday fayre?
Don’t know,
just saw the invoice for hourly work from agency compared to hourly rates for “bank” nurse and it was more than DOUBLE!!!
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Conor:
JeffA:
Its such a pittance its hardly worth claimingIt may be a pittance but it also keeps you NI contributions going which will affect how much state pension you get. It’s also a gateway benefit so it opens up access to other things such as free prescriptions, free dental, social tariffs for broadband and gas/electricity and for many they’d also be eligible for housing benefit which could pay more per week than the JSA is.
All ultimately dependent on constantly moving goalposts related to the jobsearch commitment contract and whether the job search ‘coach’ likes you or not and who can wipe out your continuing eligibity to claim on a whim.
Bearing in mind that the hours required to work for being considered as subject to ‘light treatment’ in that regard have now massively increased.
Anyone thinking that is a reliable substitute for a regular full time job and income is messing with economic suicide roulette.
There are few jobs. Was checking the Stobbies, Maritime or Turners vacancies pages. There are 2 jobs only on the Turners site. Everyone is fully staffed.
JeffA:
Winseer:
There are so many jobs vacant these days (non-skilled) that no one really has any excuse not to go get one, rather than sit on one’s hands, and let the next EE along take it as usual.
Turn up at a warehouse, depot, Recyling Unit, or even Retail Shop these days - and you’ll see most staff are now EEs.
JSA being so low you’d think would encourage people out of work to shovels hit if they had to. In sectors like our own - Unskilled work pays a decent premium over minimum wage these days as well, at least on advertized agency contracts…NO excuses then.
Who are all these people who’d rather languish on JSA rather than “Sign up with an agency” to get such work?
Trouble is most unskilled work is paid so low you can’t pay the bills on it. I heard a woman saying child-care would cost her £42 grand a year - so she’d need a job paying £42 grand just to pay the child care. Obviously you stay at home and claim benefits. If jobs paid enough money to pay the bills like they used to in the seventies it would be a different situation. JSA is low but if you are paying rent you can also get help with the rent. Agency work probably wouldn’t be enough to pay the rent. Most agency work I see is minimum wage.
Rock bottom pay is killing the economy.
I don’t know anyone who bothers with paid-for “Child Care” - but instead keeps it in house, utilizing wider family for babysitting etc.
People on benefits - get alot more with kids <18 to look after, in any case. The system already discourages single mums with multiple kids to ever give that up, as you suggest…
JSA doesn’t do anything bar pay for phone calls and bus tickets to job interviews really, and don’t you have to keep proving you’re out there, at large - doing just that merely to justify one’s ongoing JSA claim??
Even a single flat minimum wage agency shift per week - is going to pay more than the entire weekly JSA amount - Right?
Winseer:
I don’t know anyone who bothers with paid-for “Child Care” - but instead keeps it in house, utilizing wider family for babysitting etc.
Child Care is currently costing us around £10-12k per year (living in South Wales so one of the cheaper areas). At the moment our 2 wages are worth keeping, but I can see why it wouldn’t pay for single mothers or lower earners to go to work if they have to pay for child care at the moment!
Goff118:
Winseer:
I don’t know anyone who bothers with paid-for “Child Care” - but instead keeps it in house, utilizing wider family for babysitting etc.Child Care is currently costing us around £10-12k per year (living in South Wales so one of the cheaper areas). At the moment our 2 wages are worth keeping, but I can see why it wouldn’t pay for single mothers or lower earners to go to work if they have to pay for child care at the moment!
It is better to be employed as a child minder clearly, than employ one with a less than six-figure salary to pay for that luxury latchkey children thing…
The costs of getting a professional “Nanny” are up there with the cost of a London rail commute… You’d be a mug putting up with that lifestyle for LESS than six figures, I would have thought.?
Conor:
JeffA:
How much do the agency get compared to the rate they pay you? The last agency I was at paid me £11.50 an hour while they got £23 an hour.Don’t forget that on top of the £11.50 they pay you they’ve got 12.07% for your holiday pay, 3% for employers workplace contribution, 13% employers NI and 0.4% apprenticeship levy to pay before they see a profit. I doubt very much that if you were on £11.50 they were charging £23. Might be somewhere close to that if it included VAT but typical agency profit is around £1.50-£2/hr ex-VAT above your rate plus those other expenses of employment they have to pay.
Nail on head. I’m sure there are occasions where an agency might get away with charging £23 and paying half that but by and large agency margins are extremely slim. A “big” agency like Staffline or Pertemps will be making less than £1 per hour PAYE to supply someone like DHL or Wincanton after all the costs you’ve correctly broken down above. This is why agencies would always push the Ltd Co/Umbrella route as the profit is extremely simple, literally just the gap between what they charge and pay.
Carryfast:
All ultimately dependent on constantly moving goalposts related to the jobsearch commitment contract and whether the job search ‘coach’ likes you or not and who can wipe out your continuing eligibity to claim on a whim.
Seems a bit of a running theme to your life isn’t it 
ATJT:
Conor:
JeffA:
How much do the agency get compared to the rate they pay you? The last agency I was at paid me £11.50 an hour while they got £23 an hour.Don’t forget that on top of the £11.50 they pay you they’ve got 12.07% for your holiday pay, 3% for employers workplace contribution, 13% employers NI and 0.4% apprenticeship levy to pay before they see a profit. I doubt very much that if you were on £11.50 they were charging £23. Might be somewhere close to that if it included VAT but typical agency profit is around £1.50-£2/hr ex-VAT above your rate plus those other expenses of employment they have to pay.
Nail on head. I’m sure there are occasions where an agency might get away with charging £23 and paying half that but by and large agency margins are extremely slim. A “big” agency like Staffline or Pertemps will be making less than £1 per hour PAYE to supply someone like DHL or Wincanton after all the costs you’ve correctly broken down above. This is why agencies would always push the Ltd Co/Umbrella route as the profit is extremely simple, literally just the gap between what they charge and pay.
What surprises me is the sheer number of people that still settle for such low agency rates…
I reckon a lot of agencies start by offering low, if they get a taker for that job - is stays low.
If they don’t, and start having to pay “subbing” fees to other agencies to supply their drivers, third-party and all - then the rate they’d be prepared to pay in-house would surely rise slowly over time…?
I recall being constantly phoned by agencies I had never signed up with - offering me work that had a “bonus” attached, rather than a higher hourly rate that might have actually motivated me to take it…
Even when offered such a higher hourly rate instead though, I’d ask for an email confirming the booking, and hourly rate attached - only to then never hear from them again, of course…
The most common work offered, was Iceland, Coop, and CocaCola work - all on the wrong side of the river from me, and usually with something like a £12ph rate with £100 bonus for completing your first shift…
I fell for that just the one time, back in 2012 when I took a shift offered @ £12ph out of Surrey Quays depot for Boots, did one shift on “Tuition” and a second shift by myself - only to get paid for one of those shifts, and at £7.50ph at that… “You didn’t get it in writing” I got told by the chuckling agency gaffer, who was ex-military if I recall…
Don’t trust ads that say “Negotiable”.
Same applies to “We Buy Any Car” where their “Offer” suddenly drops by £200 when you turn up, having accepted the offer online they made… Even ticking all the “worst” boxes, - apparently doesn’t give a valuation as low as it can possibly go…
Just another Brudder outfit, alas…