Winseer:
As far as I know, “double manning” does not entitle anyone to reduce their daily rest more than the standard 3 times a week below 11 hours. If you are at work sitting in the passenger seat, even if asleep, it’s unlikely you’ll get even a split daily rest in anyways. Being doubled manned is great for getting around the 4.5 hours/9-10 hours driving, but useless at getting around the “too many hours at work” issues. POA wasn’t put there to assist firms getting drivers to run bent. It isn’t supposed to be a management tool - just some flexibility for drivers, so they can get around prolonged periods of waiting during what would normally be a reasonable length shift, occasionally becoming a long one - NOT every damned day as ‘standard contract’ FFS!
You do know when double manning and in the other seat, when not doing any work like map reading, ringing customers etc, then you can use poa, of which the first 45 minutes will count as break, so you won’t be racking up working time?
vtrfire:
I get guaranteed 75 hours a week and usual works out I do 72 hours (just because we don’t hang about). Well I asked one of the old boys about it and he tells me we only get 10 hours a day for a holiday?? Surely this can’t be right? Looked into it and they apparently have to give you an average for your passed 3 months?
I want to go and kick off about it to the manager but the company is just a small family run company so I sorta get the felling its a put up or shut up situation. I enjoy the job so don’t want to rock the boat if you know what I mean
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Anyone who knows where I stand legally would be great because I’d rather keep my mouth shut then get the sack lol
Cheers
The maximum hours you can work under RTD is 60, then take off poa’s and breaks to get you somewhere near to the 48 hr average. Don’t quite understand how you are doing 70 plus a week when that is breaking the law
+1 Definitely sounds iffy here too
Why does it sound iffy?
as stated 60 hour working week now if my maths is right 70 is higher than 60 therefore breaking the law
Yeah, ya maths is spot on fella! 60 hours is the max you can work, not the max you can be at work getting paid.
the clue is in what you said being paid for being at WORK
vtrfire:
I get guaranteed 75 hours a week and usual works out I do 72 hours (just because we don’t hang about). Well I asked one of the old boys about it and he tells me we only get 10 hours a day for a holiday?? Surely this can’t be right? Looked into it and they apparently have to give you an average for your passed 3 months?
I want to go and kick off about it to the manager but the company is just a small family run company so I sorta get the felling its a put up or shut up situation. I enjoy the job so don’t want to rock the boat if you know what I mean
E
Anyone who knows where I stand legally would be great because I’d rather keep my mouth shut then get the sack lol
Cheers
The maximum hours you can work under RTD is 60, then take off poa’s and breaks to get you somewhere near to the 48 hr average. Don’t quite understand how you are doing 70 plus a week when that is breaking the law
+1 Definitely sounds iffy here too
Why does it sound iffy?
as stated 60 hour working week now if my maths is right 70 is higher than 60 therefore breaking the law
Yeah, ya maths is spot on fella! 60 hours is the max you can work, not the max you can be at work getting paid.
the clue is in what you said being paid for being at WORK
Is it?
paid hours and wtd hours, will for most drivers be 2 different numbers every week
There’s me thinking 3 x 15 and 3 x 13 was 84 LEGAL HOURS! must be wrong, as at stobrats, it’s the norm! when we were GUARANTEED 50 hrs, they slashed it to forty five hours because of the recession, but as DRIVERS we just laughed as we were still doing 6,5,6,5,6,5,6,5 earning loads! then MANAGEMENT got wind of what we as DRIVERS WERE EARNING then the planners were on the phone "'park up drive, your wagons earnt it’s £600 for the day! that’s sad MANAGEMENT for you who know NOTHING about transport! then they come up with a belter after getting rid of weekend TRAMPERS, " do you want to run in on Saturday? " ERR NO as drivers there’s " no money in the pot, on the trot that one for five years! " then it was a case of " your not doing a reasonable amount of overtime! " funny that GUARANTEED 50 hours, work and abuse POA to do 71 or 84 hours and have no family life! Unfortunately the contract didn’t last TOO much longer!
Winseer:
As far as I know, “double manning” does not entitle anyone to reduce their daily rest more than the standard 3 times a week below 11 hours. If you are at work sitting in the passenger seat, even if asleep, it’s unlikely you’ll get even a split daily rest in anyways. Being doubled manned is great for getting around the 4.5 hours/9-10 hours driving, but useless at getting around the “too many hours at work” issues. POA wasn’t put there to assist firms getting drivers to run bent. It isn’t supposed to be a management tool - just some flexibility for drivers, so they can get around prolonged periods of waiting during what would normally be a reasonable length shift, occasionally becoming a long one - NOT every damned day as ‘standard contract’ FFS!
You do know when double manning and in the other seat, when not doing any work like map reading, ringing customers etc, then you can use poa, of which the first 45 minutes will count as break, so you won’t be racking up working time?
Yes, but you ARE at work. You are not“free to dispense with your time any way you see fit”
This is especially true if you’re unfortunate enough to get doubled up with some gobshyte who won’t let you get to sleep, and insists upon talking about something like Potatoes.
You are NOT at home with your family.
You are NOT coining it in - the hourly rate at this firm isn’t high enough that a 75 hour week has you grossing £1500 by way of encouragement to work such life-shortening hours.
Bigger fools therefore anyone that agrees to work over 48 hours in ANY week without significant pay advantages… We used to call this “Overtime” and “optional” in the old days.
A fool for doing as many hours as I can? I’m doing as many hours as I can at this age (25) so when I get to your age I can have the luxury of not doing 75 hours a week lol. And I’m on a bit more than 1500 quid a month! also we get a monthly bonus.in 15 years my mortgage will be paid so then I can work 1 day a week if I want
vtrfire:
A fool for doing as many hours as I can? I’m doing as many hours as I can at this age (25) so when I get to your age I can have the luxury of not doing 75 hours a week lol. And I’m on a bit more than 1500 quid a month! also we get a monthly bonus.in 15 years my mortgage will be paid so then I can work 1 day a week if I want
Just my opinion but there’s no way you can have any quality of life working that many hours and at the same time employers can keep rates of pay lie because they know there will always be people willing to do silly hours like that. I’m also unsure if you can keep they up for 15 years - anything can happen.
I can understand the Ice Road truckers going for over those winter months but this is totally different.
must be wrong, 
as at stobrats, it’s the norm! 
then MANAGEMENT got wind of what we as DRIVERS WERE EARNING then the planners were on the phone "'park up drive, your wagons earnt it’s £600 for the day! 
that’s sad MANAGEMENT for you who know NOTHING about transport! 
