Is this going to apply to HGVs ? from wht I’m reading it says ‘all new vehicles’! Will this be in addition to the 56 limiter, the whole concept of the proposal is for it to be road specific, ie 30 in a 30 and 50 in a 50, would seem odd if wagons are not included - could be interesting north of the border.
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Calm down. Fitted yes, they are also have an on and off switch, and if you floor it,they will be overridden.
It’s non-news to cover up Brexit
I am afraid that is not true. They cannot be switched off and are supposedly tamper proof.
Bluey Circles:
Is this going to apply to HGVs ? from wht I’m reading it says ‘all new vehicles’! Will this be in addition to the 56 limiter, the whole concept of the proposal is for it to be road specific, ie 30 in a 30 and 50 in a 50, would seem odd if wagons are not included - could be interesting north of the border.
Yes it is going to apply to LGV’s. Read yesterdays “Times” and you will get all the juicy details.
But heres the kicker if and when this is installed throughout the country there will be no need for traffic camera’s so the Flash for Cash have no need to be around as no money will be made from speeding offenses. No need for revenue collecting units as all cars will be limited like a truck. 
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jakethesnake:
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Calm down. Fitted yes, they are also have an on and off switch, and if you floor it,they will be overridden.
It’s non-news to cover up BrexitI am afraid that is not true. They cannot be switched off and are supposedly tamper proof.
How can you state that to be the case? They haven’t actually agreed on the legislation yet!
The agreement so far reached is that the ISA system will be overridden by a firm press on the accelerator (eg when overtaking) and that there will also be an option to disable the system altogether by a button press or menu click if the driver so desires - although this will need to be repeated each time the engine is started (just like the lane departure and collision avoidance systems currently fitted in new lorries).
jakethesnake:
Bluey Circles:
Is this going to apply to HGVs ? from wht I’m reading it says ‘all new vehicles’! Will this be in addition to the 56 limiter, the whole concept of the proposal is for it to be road specific, ie 30 in a 30 and 50 in a 50, would seem odd if wagons are not included - could be interesting north of the border.Yes it is going to apply to LGV’s. Read yesterdays “Times” and you will get all the juicy details.
Looks like it is ‘new models’ after 2022 and not until 2024 that all new cars will have to have them fitted, and if the average age of cars on the road remains at 8 year old, It won’t be until 2032 until half of all vehicles have them - by which time I will be mid seventies and be quite thankful every ones driving a bit slower.
Roymondo:
jakethesnake:
biggriffin:
Calm down. Fitted yes, they are also have an on and off switch, and if you floor it,they will be overridden.
It’s non-news to cover up BrexitI am afraid that is not true. They cannot be switched off and are supposedly tamper proof.
How can you state that to be the case? They haven’t actually agreed on the legislation yet!
The agreement so far reached is that the ISA system will be overridden by a firm press on the accelerator (eg when overtaking) and that there will also be an option to disable the system altogether by a button press or menu click if the driver so desires - although this will need to be repeated each time the engine is started (just like the lane departure and collision avoidance systems currently fitted in new lorries).
ot
I did not state it. It is quite clear from the Times newspaper though. Try reading it.
jakethesnake:
Roymondo:
jakethesnake:
biggriffin:
Calm down. Fitted yes, they are also have an on and off switch, and if you floor it,they will be overridden.
It’s non-news to cover up BrexitI am afraid that is not true. They cannot be switched off and are supposedly tamper proof.
How can you state that to be the case? They haven’t actually agreed on the legislation yet!
The agreement so far reached is that the ISA system will be overridden by a firm press on the accelerator (eg when overtaking) and that there will also be an option to disable the system altogether by a button press or menu click if the driver so desires - although this will need to be repeated each time the engine is started (just like the lane departure and collision avoidance systems currently fitted in new lorries).ot
I did not state it. It is quite clear from the Times newspaper though. Try reading it.
Er - Yes, you certainly did. You wrote, “I am afraid that is not true. They cannot be switched off and are supposedly tamper proof.” Maybe you should try reading what you actually wrote?
If you are going to quote what a particular newspaper etc has published as “fact”, it is usually a good idea to identify the source so that others can weigh the value of it. In this instance it would appear that The Times hasn’t got it quite right (if your precis is an accurate summary of what they have written - the text of their article sits behind a paywall). Various proposals have been put forward for consideration by the EU legislators and it would appear that “Intelligent Speed Assistance” is almost certain to become mandatory on new vehicles within the next three years - but they haven’t actually set down in detail what will and will not be incorporated in such systems, particularly with regard to user over-ride and/or disabling.
Roymondo:
jakethesnake:
biggriffin:
Calm down. Fitted yes, they are also have an on and off switch, and if you floor it,they will be overridden.
It’s non-news to cover up BrexitI am afraid that is not true. They cannot be switched off and are supposedly tamper proof.
How can you state that to be the case? They haven’t actually agreed on the legislation yet!
The agreement so far reached is that the ISA system will be overridden by a firm press on the accelerator (eg when overtaking) and that there will also be an option to disable the system altogether by a button press or menu click if the driver so desires - although this will need to be repeated each time the engine is started (just like the lane departure and collision avoidance systems currently fitted in new lorries).
AEBS cannot be disabled by the driver on latest MAN lorries, no switch, the system can disable itself and will do.
The only input the driver has, is if the system is triggered too many times the system will switch itself off (and put the reason up on the dash display, together with the warning light in orange) when normal driving resumes will switch itself back on.
Lane departure warnings are currently able to be switched off.
Be interesting to see what the reality of the vehicle interfering with steering due to the two systems working will be, this is planned for the next gen when the current model is replaced probably next year, what could possibly go wrong 
Juddian:
AEBS cannot be disabled by the driver on latest MAN lorries, no switch, the system can disable itself and will do.The only input the driver has, is if the system is triggered too many times the system will switch itself off (and put the reason up on the dash display, together with the warning light in orange) when normal driving resumes will switch itself back on:
Funny you say that Juddian; a few weeks ago on the M25, usual scenario, traffic moving between 10 and 30mph when a guy in a van with one of them urban camouflage vinyl wraps pulls in about 50 feet in front of me and my anti collision goes beserk! After 3 or 4 epsisodes I changed lanes away from him and followed other vehicles much closer with no problems. Van man then decides to change lanes to be in front of me and it all started again. No word of a lie there must have been 80 feet between us travelling at 20mph but it still kept standing on the brakes with all the warnings going off. The system eventually disabled itself for the rest of the day. Bizarre.
the maoster:
Juddian:
AEBS cannot be disabled by the driver on latest MAN lorries, no switch, the system can disable itself and will do.The only input the driver has, is if the system is triggered too many times the system will switch itself off (and put the reason up on the dash display, together with the warning light in orange) when normal driving resumes will switch itself back on:
Funny you say that Juddian; a few weeks ago on the M25, usual scenario, traffic moving between 10 and 30mph when a guy in a van with one of them urban camouflage vinyl wraps pulls in about 50 feet in front of me and my anti collision goes beserk! After 3 or 4 epsisodes I changed lanes away from him and followed other vehicles much closer with no problems. Van man then decides to change lanes to be in front of me and it all started again. No word of a lie there must have been 80 feet between us travelling at 20mph but it still kept standing on the brakes with all the warnings going off. The system eventually disabled itself for the rest of the day. Bizarre.
Weird and wonderful things, maybe that camo paint mixed the radar signal returns?
Another good reason (though i like them anyway) for having proper external (only) cameras fitted, so if the AEBS going off triggers the microlise alarms back at base and wakes the trainer(s) up from perma hibernation, the camera comes to your defence.
If you are going to quote what a particular newspaper etc has published as “fact”, it is usually a good idea to identify the source so that others can weigh the value of it. In this instance it would appear that The Times hasn’t got it quite right (if your precis is an accurate summary of what they have written - the text of their article sits behind a paywall). Various proposals have been put forward for consideration by the EU legislators and it would appear that “Intelligent Speed Assistance” is almost certain to become mandatory on new vehicles within the next three years - but they haven’t actually set down in detail what will and will not be incorporated in such systems, particularly with regard to user over-ride and/or disabling.
Really, just wait and see. 
the maoster:
Juddian:
AEBS cannot be disabled by the driver on latest MAN lorries, no switch, the system can disable itself and will do.The only input the driver has, is if the system is triggered too many times the system will switch itself off (and put the reason up on the dash display, together with the warning light in orange) when normal driving resumes will switch itself back on:
Funny you say that Juddian; a few weeks ago on the M25, usual scenario, traffic moving between 10 and 30mph when a guy in a van with one of them urban camouflage vinyl wraps pulls in about 50 feet in front of me and my anti collision goes beserk! After 3 or 4 epsisodes I changed lanes away from him and followed other vehicles much closer with no problems. Van man then decides to change lanes to be in front of me and it all started again. No word of a lie there must have been 80 feet between us travelling at 20mph but it still kept standing on the brakes with all the warnings going off. The system eventually disabled itself for the rest of the day. Bizarre.
I could well be wrong but the AEBS doesn’t rely on cameras, but on RADAR so the actual pattern shouldn’t be an issue?
Maybe the van was carrying something that was interfering with the system?
A van with urban camouflage carrying mildly radioactive waste??!!
Russian umbrella delivery van?
One of Albion’s fleet sprung a leak on the load?
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Best news I’ve heard since the smoking ban. I mean, on a forum full of perfect drivers who never break the law I imagine this is a none story but it’ll be amusing seeing all the tangs on the A75 and job n knocktards having to stick to the speed limits.
Been a long time coming and drivers only have themselves to blame.
One problem. Who’s going to buy a Ferrari or McLaren etc after this. Even a Merc or BMW. Maybe we’ll all be driving electric milk floats by 2030.
jakethesnake:
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Calm down. Fitted yes, they are also have an on and off switch, and if you floor it,they will be overridden.
It’s non-news to cover up BrexitI am afraid that is not true. They cannot be switched off and are supposedly tamper proof.
^^^^^^^^
dont talk pish.
anything and everything can be overridden and disabled going in through the obd port…the lemmings will accet it and the rest wil just have it binned in 2 mins.
they will never be able to override this though…
dieseldog999:
jakethesnake:
biggriffin:
Calm down. Fitted yes, they are also have an on and off switch, and if you floor it,they will be overridden.
It’s non-news to cover up BrexitI am afraid that is not true. They cannot be switched off and are supposedly tamper proof.
^^^^^^^^
dont talk pish.
anything and everything can be overridden and disabled going in through the obd port…the lemmings will accet it and the rest wil just have it binned in 2 mins.
they will never be able to override this though…
I am well aware things can be over ridden but from what I have heard this system will not be so easy. I have also heard of the extremely harsh penalties for anyone tampering with this new system.
The ones that do manage to break the system will stand out a mile.
Good luck.
Franglais:
Will any future UK gov wish to be seen as “less safe” then a different regime?
Will any UK cars be allowed in the EU if they don’t follow their safety standards?
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We were already committed to the idea and fully backed it
jakethesnake:
dieseldog999:
jakethesnake:
biggriffin:
Calm down. Fitted yes, they are also have an on and off switch, and if you floor it,they will be overridden.
It’s non-news to cover up BrexitI am afraid that is not true. They cannot be switched off and are supposedly tamper proof.
^^^^^^^^
dont talk pish.
anything and everything can be overridden and disabled going in through the obd port…the lemmings will accet it and the rest wil just have it binned in 2 mins.
they will never be able to override this though…I am well aware things can be over ridden but from what I have heard this system will not be so easy. I have also heard of the extremely harsh penalties for anyone tampering with this new system.
The ones that do manage to break the system will stand out a mile.
Good luck.
It has only just been announced and it is not going before the European parliament till September yet you already know that there will be harsh penalties didn’t realise a retired lorry driver could get a hotline to the inner workings of the EU, your talents are clearly wasted you should have been at Theresa May’s side for the last 2 years instead of lecturing all and sundry on here
Everything I have said is written down in black and white if you care to do a little research.
I know everything written does not always happen but I would be very surprised if this new road safety system does not go ahead with or without the EU.
Time will tell.
As mentioned it’s not fully agreed yet.
And can bet your life Ferrari ,Aston Martin Lamborghini etc will be trying the best to get it stopped or want some kind of exemption.
As if it becomes law who really is Gona spend 100k plus on a car that won’t go over 70