deanog734:
This is the reason why the European discounters can undercut the likes of Tesco, Morrisons ect. Half the warehouse staff, and it’s the same in the stores with massive queues at the checkouts.
It’s only a matter of time before the UK supermarket RDC,s follow this example as they try to compete, and we find ourselves self tipping for all the supermarkets.
Have you noticed the self serve checkouts are getting more and more,my uncle wont use the local asda because he says theres too many and its putting somebody out of a job[and he cant use them ] 
deanog734:
It’s only a matter of time before the UK supermarket RDC,s follow this example as they try to compete, and we find ourselves self tipping for all the supermarkets.
Its bound to happen… It doesn’t take a Time & Motion genius to realise that theres a load of drivers bored off their ■■■■ sitting in the waiting room that could be unloading themselves… Even better give them a scanner to book the stuff in then they are tipped as fast as they like. No waiting around for paperwork as the scanner will take a picture of each pallet and the office bods can whinge about any shoratges at their leisure.
So lets say we had a choice:
Option 1: OK drive you can sit in the waiting room whilst we get one of our now reduced workforce to tip you (approx 4 hours).
Option 2: Tip yourself and scan each pallet then you will be given your lorry keys back when you hand the forklift key in and you can go (approx 1 - 2 hours).
I know which one I would choose, even when paid by the hour I would rather sacrifice 2 hours earnings than face the waiting room, but could still make it up later on.
I dont mind tipping myself.
It stretches my legs, and also (the main reason) i dont have to sit in an uncomfortable waiting room, with a loud/quiet telly, usually with Homes under the Hammer/ Escape to the Country/ listening to drivers snore/tallk bollox to anyone who will listen/ talk bollox to me/ ■■■■/ eat/ drink/cough and wheeze/moan at the goods in staff/ask if anyone has change for the coffee machine/etc etc.
I have never in all the years ive been going to these places been asked to break down pallets, i may wait around 20mins tops before my paperwork is done, then im done.
Tacho is on work, so an hour kip is in order when im done 
robroy:
‘…I blame the EU Keith …’
My work here is done 
Meanwhile:
Dipper_Dave:
‘… theres a load of drivers bored off their ■■■■ sitting in the waiting room that could be unloading themselves…’
Surely not since the advent of smart phones are drivers now ever bored ‘resting’ (as directed by Brussels, bless them) matey 
Aren’t they God’s timely answer to help us diverse collective of Road Knights now unify in a chorus of ‘stop ripping us off’?
OMG them waiting rooms do my head in, no offence intended to other drivers who are trying to practice their social skills by talking bollox.
But I chose driving as a primary career as I like my own company and work best solo i.e left to get on with it.
Waiting rooms just feel akward, perhaps thats just me but when at work I want to be left alone to crack on…when off work I’m as social as the next guy honest 
Happy Keith:
Dipper_Dave:
‘… theres a load of drivers bored off their ■■■■ sitting in the waiting room that could be unloading themselves…’
Surely not since the advent of smart phones are drivers now ever bored ‘resting’ (as directed by Brussels, bless them) matey
True, smartphones help take the edge off but theres only so much ■■■■ or animals doing strange things (or a combination of both) I can watch…
i will tip at Aldi all day long. your given a book in time you turn up for that ,straight on a bay and can usually be in and out with a full load in about 30 to 45 minutes.
Lidl on the other hand have a delivery window of 6 till 12 for ambient. at this place you usually given a pager or a bit of paper of the reg of the vehicle your following onto the bay (which they only use about 4 or 5 out of 50) and then its not unusual to be bumped back down the order for trucks that have turned up after you. think the worse 2 are belvedere (known 7 hour wait) and enfield (5 1/2 hour wait) just for the bay!!. then your expected to tip it yourself and wait around again for the checker to do his bit. in my eyes Lidl need to follow the Aldi model.
jonboy
Is the next stage of development to follow the Kwik Save idea of “pile it high and sell it low” going to be where the driver takes a pallet of stuff into a shop and cuts off the cling film, whereafter shoppers grab what they want? No aisles or complicated layouts, so no need to ask where stuff is… If all the tills were self-serve you’d only need a couple of security people and a few teenagers to collect empty pallets. Big walk-in fridges/freezers, (all pallets would have to be loaded right) and customers are responsible for all packaging.
Hmm, pallets would have to be loaded right, think I just found the weak link
Not the same world now I know,and this shows how things have changed. About 1970 or 1971 a new Makro store opened in Eccles,(I think it was the first one), and I was getting my notes signed. A driver from France comes in and says he has a load of butter.
They tell him which bay to back on,he slowly puts on his gloves,opens the barn doors,backs on to bay,slowly takes off his gloves,and gets back in his cab. Makro chap shouts " we are ready to unload you",French chap shouts " ok thank you "
Makro chap “you need to help us " , driver " sorry I drive,you unload”
Makro chap " if you dont help we wont unload you " , driver " ok no problem,I take back to France ". He pulls off bay,slowly puts on his gloves,closes doors,slowly tkes off his gloves,gets back in his cab and drives out of the yard !!
I remember thinking at the time ,this guy has got some style !!
Regards John.
Sir LANs-a-lot:
49er:
If they wanted me to tip the load, they pay me … Other wise I take my load back …
At last - someone with some sense!! No wonder this industry is [zb] when you’ve people prepared to do two jobs for one wage…
That’s alright, until you get sacked because your boss has lost that lucrative contract.
Remember once delivering to Aldi at Atherstone, subbing for Langdons.
Had pallets of pastries from France, gave my paperwork in, got my key, asked where they wanted it, bloke said straight behind the bay.
Off I went, 18 pallets later, took key back, a different bod went off to check it, came back and told me the pallets were in the wrong lanes and should have been put half way across the warehouse or something.
Told me I had to move them, I said if I mov them, it’ll be back onto the trailer and I’ll be leaving.
Notes got signed, on my way within an hour of arriving.
Don’t have a huge problem tipping myself if it means straight of the back into lanes…not going on a tour of the warehouse nor am splitting pallets down.
Probably why I prefer containers or tippers…!
From a haulage company owners point of view we would NEVER expect our drivers to tip a truck !!
On the 8/9 occasions we have supplied a rdc like Aldi from a supplier abroad our driver politely explains he is (yes) “The Driver” and not a warehouse operative and will not unload, they say goodbye, we call the supplier and within a few minutes he is on the bay getting tipped.
DonutUK:
Told me I had to move them, I said if I mov them, it’ll be back onto the trailer and I’ll be leaving.
Notes got signed, on my way within an hour of arriving.
+1
With my first self tipping experience I was instructed where the pallets should be put (length ways, stickers facing outward, tight against each other) then left to get on with it.
That is the completion of the job, if they want them moving after due to false initial information thats their job (if they have any staff available).
DonutUK:
Don’t have a huge problem tipping myself if it means straight of the back into lanes…not going on a tour of the warehouse nor am splitting pallets down.
Probably why I prefer containers or tippers…!
Can you imagine a tipper driver being asked to make three piles, one half, a sixth and a third? “Would you like me to weigh that for you?” “Oh that would be…” CLANG!!! As the shovel connects with his head…
DubaiTrans:
From a haulage company owners point of view we would NEVER expect our drivers to tip a truck !!
On the 8/9 occasions we have supplied a rdc like Aldi from a supplier abroad our driver politely explains he is (yes) “The Driver” and not a warehouse operative and will not unload, they say goodbye, we call the supplier and within a few minutes he is on the bay getting tipped.
So just the 8/9 occasions then, return trade is not your strongpoint I guess… 
Seriously though I admire & respect anyone who stands their ground, if they don’t want to do it fair enough.
NewLad:
‘…you get sacked because your boss has lost that lucrative contract…’
Simples: Let him multi-task with a broom up his ■■■■ TFN.
Problemo solved
Dipper_Dave:
OMG them waiting rooms do my head in, no offence intended to other drivers who are trying to practice their social skills by talking bollox.
But I chose driving as a primary career as I like my own company and work best solo i.e left to get on with it.
Waiting rooms just feel akward, perhaps thats just me but when at work I want to be left alone to crack on…when off work I’m as social as the next guy honest
It’s only when you in a confined space with other drivers, you realise the haulage industry attracts some real oddballs and wierdos. 
With this self unloading, I hope you guys have some sort of written authorisation to use other folks lift trucks. Last thing you want if someone gets injured is for the store to claim you shouldn’t have been using it and they hadn’t given you permission to do so. Everyone always tries to cover their own butts when things go wrong.
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No Dave, we haul our own product back from Poland, on the few times we can’t for whatever reason we load out of Germany, I would never expect our drivers to tip our trucks ! The problem in the UK is that us Britts have no back bone and are scared of losing a contract etc, sorry but I am a firm believer a driver is a driver and not a warehouse person !!
I understand 100% why some drivers want to tip a truck as the size of them indicates that are grossly over weight and need the exercise.
Dipper_Dave:
DubaiTrans:
From a haulage company owners point of view we would NEVER expect our drivers to tip a truck !!
On the 8/9 occasions we have supplied a rdc like Aldi from a supplier abroad our driver politely explains he is (yes) “The Driver” and not a warehouse operative and will not unload, they say goodbye, we call the supplier and within a few minutes he is on the bay getting tipped.
So just the 8/9 occasions then, return trade is not your strongpoint I guess…
Seriously though I admire & respect anyone who stands their ground, if they don’t want to do it fair enough.
LIBERTY_GUY:
‘…With this self unloading, I hope you guys have some sort of written authorisation to use other folks lift trucks…’
With only rare exception, I’Il inevitably but politley ask "am I:
1 Insured"
2 Trained"
3 Authorised"
It can all surely be simply sorted between my employer and the receiving Billy Bunters with whom my lot regularly work - but invariably it isn’t.
Otherwise? Time to then consider bathing in the sunlight of the righteous (iaw a vague Brussels desire, I’m certain) - or shift the planet if they’ve got their dung in a sock to make it work beyond the ‘extra mile’ expected from their usual bluff
Edited to add that I learned this during a recent “Conditions of Contract” Training session (because the company fouled-up Big-Style elsewhere in the World and was thus covering itself): I then sussed that it was given to us by a CoC Trainer.
They started it…!
DubaiTrans:
No Dave, we haul our own product back from Poland, on the few times we can’t for whatever reason we load out of Germany, I would never expect our drivers to tip our trucks ! The problem in the UK is that us Britts have no back bone and are scared of losing a contract etc, sorry but I am a firm believer a driver is a driver and not a warehouse person !!
I understand 100% why some drivers want to tip a truck as the size of them indicates that are grossly over weight and need the exercise.
Try as I may I can’t disagree with this and from a personal perspective although i’m definately overweight my role in the logistical process ends when the goods are off the wagon. I still remember the days when my left leg was toned a lot more than my right one. But with automatics I do get worried that even with healthy eating the opportunity for some exercise is limited in certain jobs.