Agency work while claiming Universal credit

alamcculloch:
Just proves that one size does not fit all. I was unemployed and tried to get work. There was a thing going back then called New Deal. You could be given training to be a bus driver. In some areas it was lorry driver. To qualify you had to be six months unemployed. I asked if there was any way that I could be fast tracked as I didnt want/ intend to do nothing productive for six months. The answer was no, the entry qualification was do nought for six months.

Only out of touch apparatchiks could come up with such a wasteful strategy.

Help someone out who has a work ethic but temporarily struggling by investing a bit of taxpayers money, which given the applicant by their request is an instinctive grafter so likely to result in a net taxpayer in the future…nope not a hope in hell…someone who’s proving for possibly years on end they have no intention of ever working to become a self supporting citizen, here you go.

Funny how Britain has by far the lowest benefits anywhere in Western europe and yet anyone claiming them is demonized.

Isn’t it funny how if you are a CEO at the top of the company you always claim you deserve to be “paid more” to “incentivise” you but if you are on the dole you should be paid less to “incentivise” you.

JeffA:
Funny how Britain has by far the lowest benefits anywhere in Western europe and yet anyone claiming them is demonized.

Isn’t it funny how if you are a CEO at the top of the company you always claim you deserve to be “paid more” to “incentivise” you but if you are on the dole you should be paid less to “incentivise” you.

In an age of full employment there really shouldnt be anybody “on the dole”. There are companies up and down the land crying out for labour.

The government has done it’s level best to equate “Benefit Scroungers” with “Pensioners” when it comes to increasing such things in line with full inflation of late.

On closer examination - the old “In-work benefit” system - seems to be passing away before our very eyes, as per OP’s original question.

Now I’d say is the very worst time to go seeking any payments of UC.

I was on UC for a long year while starting with me being stood down without furlough more than two years ago.

It is hard to get onto it to start with, but to stay on it - you need to do the following:

(1) Have kids living with you. If you don’t - it will be an impossible set of conditions to keep it going over time.
You and your wife’s earnings - must not exceed around £1800 per month back when Furlough started, but that amount has now DROPPED to around the £1000 per mark.

Why so?

The Taper.

Each pound you earn - reduces the amount you actually get by 55p/£

This means if you earn say, £1000 and you qualified for an award of say, £545.50 per month when you originally qualified…

You end up losing it ALL, because the final payment is calcuated as (Award-Tapered off Earnings).

£1000 of earnings turned out for myself to be where it was all gone, meaning we only got (in this household) a 3 figure amount for the period when my earnings PLUS my now retired from retail management Wife - were below £1800 back then, but must now be below £1000 to continue to qualify.

FFS on agency since the “driver shortage uplift” - you can earn that kind of money in a week these days, so it was an impossibly low bar to keep under, and it got duly dropped. No holidays, given up drinking, and turning lights off - has kept this household on the straight and narrow whilst all around me - the roads continue to be full of traffic, despite a time having now come when surely EVERYONE among us - should be considering tightening their belts■■?

When you have received a UC award payment of £0 for six months in a row - your UC claim is automatically closed down.

Again, I’ll state £1000 of earnings per month - is an impossibly low bar to keep under to keep it going, in my experience from 2020-21 tax year in particular. I also earned around £16500 in that year, which just disqualified us from having our council tax paid, free prescriptions, and other free and subsidised stuff one is supposed to qualify for whilst on UC.

We never got the “Cost of Living” payment neither.

We didn’t claim “housing benefits” in the first place, with me choosing to take a part time job during the lockdown, to pay (what was then) a low mortgage payment myself.

The “bar” for getting the “Cost of living payment” was that you had to receive, in effect a UC payment EVERY month, rather than just those months I earned less than £1000 in my experience. I slipped the net, and didn’t qualify, much to my annoyance, as was the case with not qualifying for Furlough when the Government website announced that those working full time for at least 12 months continuous “would qualify”. I suspect that such unpaid-out furlough money, got sent abroad, or at least ended up only in the hands of those lucky few who did get the furlough, but that’s two years in the past now, and I’ve dealt with it by working the longer shifts necessary to get myself back on track, without wasting all my earnings on “overheads” such as communting “any five from seven” at the drop of a hat as to “last minute notice” start times, prefering instead to work fixed shifts of longer length.

My only worry now is that my health might one day no longer permit me to work a full timer’s set of hours over 3-4 shifts instead of the dreaded 5-6-5-6 pattern, which in my view - is a “younger main’s quest” these days…

It would seem to be unwise then - to rely on UC to keep your head above water, as it simply no longer “catches you if you fall” once you get back to work…

It is better for those who don’t ever intend working - but I would argue that the “in-work benefits culture” - is now truly OVER, not much of which has been said on the mainstream news.

This will affect EEs quite badly, and other workers that get a low basic wage for working a lot of hours outside of the transport industry.

Winseer:
Now I’d say is the very worst time to go seeking any payments of UC.

When would you recommend someone seeks a redundancy? One due to a bankrupt employer, for example?

Winseer:
It would seem to be unwise then - to rely on UC to keep your head above water

Good point.
We should rather rely on rich relatives to help us out, or place a few winning bets on long odds gee-gees, after all no point in betting on winners if they are odds-on, is it?

msgyorkie:
In an age of full employment there really shouldnt be anybody “on the dole”. There are companies up and down the land crying out for labour.

Quite right.
Can`t understand why those jobs cutting brussels sprouts in Lincolnshire are vacant when so many 60 year old computer programmers are claiming UC in Powys.

Franglais:

Winseer:
Now I’d say is the very worst time to go seeking any payments of UC.

When would you recommend someone seeks a redundancy? One due to a bankrupt employer, for example?

Winseer:
It would seem to be unwise then - to rely on UC to keep your head above water

Good point.
We should rather rely on rich relatives to help us out, or place a few winning bets on long odds gee-gees, after all no point in betting on winners if they are odds-on, is it?

msgyorkie:
In an age of full employment there really shouldnt be anybody “on the dole”. There are companies up and down the land crying out for labour.

What are you getting at here?
I dunno about recommending anyone for bankrupcty?
I don’t have any rich relatives neither…
When tightening one’s belt “Gee Gees” is something on the “belt tightening list” of things to give up, for most people… I’m more suprised at how most people seem to be “out for a spin” in flash cars with expensive fuel prices still

In my case, I chose Drinking (2020), Smoking (2006) and Foreign Holidays (2010) as a way of getting through each down turn that has ever involved me. I’ve always driven old bangers, because I won’t buy a wasting asset - ever.
That means even if I won the lottery, I’d be looking for a qualify second hand car, rather than a brand new Tesla etc.
(not that I play the lottery much - £10-£20 a year maybe, depending on a triple rollover coinciding with a week I’m flush maybe?)

Quite right.
Can`t understand why those jobs cutting brussels sprouts in Lincolnshire are vacant when so many 60 year old computer programmers are claiming UC in Powys.

Oh, and on redundancy - Any payout over £16,000 which when added to any savings you already have - disqualifies you from UC ANWAYS.

I took VR from RM over a decade ago, and the amount I got - exceeded this. For income during the next three months when I had no job - I paid my stamp (pennies) and then got a big tax rebate in the new financial year following… The tax rebate divided by the 13 weeks between my last day @ RM and first day at agency - worked out to be about twice the amount I would have got had I been able to claim benefits - so I didn’t consider myself having “gone short” there… Less is sometimes more.

The only ones I would strongly recommend to “quickly claim UC” then are

Households with Kids - If you’ve already split up with your other half, then tough luck!
Households where Mrs isn’t working - If she earns - the more taper YOU will end up taken off, and the easier it will be for you to zero it entirely.
Households with someone about to be declared disabled - good luck with THAT when you can’t get a GP face-to-face appointment for love nor money these days!

All in all, the taper set at 55p/£ is harsher than the very top rate of incoming tax, if you think about it.
The Tories clearly have no love for people that work and claim any kind of benefits, whilst those who cannot work for any reason - simply cannot live off such a paltry amount on it’s own.

I would have thought it to be a better idea to encourge unemployed people to choose to take a job?

In that regard, Gordon Brown’s “Make Work Pay” strategy - were in my mind, Labour’s very best policy rollout from the 13 Labour years…

If you effectively tax it more than even the highest earners pay - then you basically tell people to “give up working entirely” - if you want to maintain your benefits lifestyle.

THAT sends EE’s home in droves, plus housewives earning pin money - back home to manage the kitchen sink, and of course - creates so many unfillable vacancies - that wages then have to rise, just to attract someone in who a couple of years ago - would gladly take that low-paid part time job just to get maximum UC AND wage income together

The new system is actually not bad for a family of 4 the threshold is about 2.8k combined salary before you get nothing from them.

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JeffA:
Funny how Britain has by far the lowest benefits anywhere in Western europe and yet anyone claiming them is demonized.

Not “everyone” claiming benefits is demonised. Only the feckless, ambitionless, work-shy wastrels who could very well provide for themselves by getting their arses off the sofa, and yet choose not to in favour of government handouts, are.

JeffA:
…but if you are on the dole you should be paid less to “incentivise” you.

Exactly right. If the government is not giving enough free money to someone on the dole who is capable of paid employment, then the answer is simple: Work for a living instead.

So when was the last time you saw an article/news report that didnt demonise them? Be honest you never have.

But why are benefits so low in the UK? The Germans get a lot more. Arnt there “feckless” people in Germany?