Agency help

Carryfast:
But it is possible to find ‘driving’ agencies with what are effectively building/warehouse labourer jobs on their books.Which might sometimes involve driving a truck a few miles around the houses in a shift.The fact that they are willing to pay class 1 rates to drive an 18 tonner or less is a give away.

Well, if that is what their business model is, then that’s what they are going to need drivers to do. And that will suit some drivers and not others.

Your argument, which basically boils down to “You shouldn’t operate HGVs unless you run them the length and breadth of Europe and are prepared to take on clueless dustcart drivers to drive them” is a bit of a non-starter really.

trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewto … 9#p2781779

^^^Another thread with some good agency advice from Terry Cooksey on it

Bottom rung- Gaining 2 years on your licence, follow the advice on this thread…expect the crap that is left over/last minute phone calls.

Next rung up- General haulage, various shifts & standards of wagon/trailer/yards etc.

3rd rung- Good T&C’s, often unionised, driver expected to be capable & honest with often a clean licence.

Top step- Specialised work, often own account or heavy haulage/car transporters/tankers etc. Not suitable for everyone but often satisfying work and can be very well paid.

Balcony above ladder- Re-train and get the [zb] out of Dodge…

Looking at various threads, some suggest registering with several agencies (to maximise the chances of work) - but others say an agency will not allow you to work for anyone else whilst you’re on their books.

Who’s right?

RevTony:
Looking at various threads, some suggest registering with several agencies (to maximise the chances of work) - but others say an agency will not allow you to work for anyone else whilst you’re on their books.

Who’s right?

Unless you…

Sign a contract specifically stating that you cannot undertake work for any other agency then, world is your oyster. I’ve worked for 4 different agencies in one week. Sometimes the same job was for different agencies. As long as the tax man is happy at the end of the year, it’s no biggy.
I found that over time, because I was working for one or two agencies, the other ones just stopped calling with work.
A really good agency that keeps you going and pays you well is worth more than the hassle of the others.

Do some agencies always require you to sign such an exclusive contract, whilst others don’t? Or do they all try to get you to sign - and then it’s up to you whether you care to commit/limit yourself in this way?

RevTony:
Do some agencies always require you to sign such an exclusive contract, whilst others don’t? Or do they all try to get you to sign - and then it’s up to you whether you care to commit/limit yourself in this way?

I’m not…

Aware of any agencies that do it. If I saw it in the contract I’d be getting it struck out or walking away. It’s your choice who you work for, not theirs.
The only clause I can think of that all the agenices use is the going full time for a client and that only really affects the client because they have to pay the agency a fee to get you.

Use the agencies to your advantage. Work for who ever gets you the best work with the best money.

Many thanks - very helpful. I

Carryfast:

Star down under.:
Driveress, choose carefully from whom you take advice, particularly in this thread.
One poster has no experience in the last quarter century, yet continues to promote a picture of doom and gloom. He has adopted this attitude because he failed in the industry, due to his aversion to physical activity. Do your own research, on this forum and you’ll find the recurring, bitter theme.
This industry is no different to any other, there are good and bad jobs, employers and employees.
You’ll obviously have to prove yourself, within your parameters, on the bottom rung. Do a decent job and you will progress.
All the best with your endeavours.

Define exactly what type of work you mean by ‘bottom rung’ and what you mean by ‘prove yourself’.
When you’ve answered that question the OP can choose whether to accept your advice or ironically Switchlogic’s combined with that of SWEDISH BLUE’s.

The truth is crap quality work is crap quality work.Accepting that to ‘prove yourself’ will just get you typecast as a mug by both the employers and/or those who want to keep the best work for themselves.It also provides no incentive for agencies to clean up their client base books.

I have to agree. To continue the analogy mentioned about the Field Marshal, accepting crap work is like starting in the Army with a rubber gun, and competing to be cheaper to equip than those with real guns. You don’t get to Field Marshal that way at all.

And the reality for most people is that they’ll never be Field Marshal, because the Army doesn’t need more Field Marshals than soldiers. The soldier therefore expects decent wages and conditions now for routine work done.

I honestly think some people are so fond of ladders, that they wouldn’t object to going down and entering the building through the sewer entrance, so long as I gave them a ladder to climb back to the ground floor through a manhole, and then think themselves achievers for having done so. Any sensible person would ask what the hell is going on with that, and why they can’t just use the front door normally.

What’s more is that, as a worker who has gone through the sewer then got back on the level, you’ve then always got someone else grabbing at your leg trying to get up out of the manhole, so it scarcely works even for its proponents in the workforce, though it might work for the bosses.

So your advice, I think, is also…don’t accept “crap quality work”, but because I don’t think that has been explicitly defined on this thread, we are none the wiser as to what it is. Considering the definition of “crap quality work” is subjective, it’s probably more helpful to advise newbies to be wary of crap employers - in this instance, crap agencies, and how to spot them, as a fair few already have.

Every day will be a school day. Use the first year to network and speak to other drivers, agency and employed, this will give you more info on the local situation.Dont always reject jobs because another drivers says its crap,sometimes they arent and doing a shift there will show you one way or the other.If you hear a rumour of a job at a company you think would fit you,give them a ring,it may be friutful but the worst they can say is sorry no job. I’ve used this a few times and it works.

Good luck

I thought I would add an update and describe my experiences so far for any newbies reading who are interested in agency only work. I found lots of the advice in this thread really helpful.

One thing I wish I’d done differently is to have got straight out there as soon as I had made my decision to train and signed up with an agency to drive vans/7.5t to get some experience while I was waiting for the training and waiting to pass. What I’ve ended up doing is getting that experience after I passed.

Anyway, back in April when I was struggling to pass my Class 2 I finally got on with it. I CV bombed about 10 agencies on the Monday. By the Tuesday morning I had signed up with 2. By the Tuesday afternoon one had offered me 7.5t work the following week. I asked them if they could arrange for me to spend a day with a Class 2 driver (as unpaid work experience of course - I had failed 3 times by this point and thought observing someone driving might help). I did this on the Thursday and had an awesome day delivering pallets at a range of locations around Cornwall, chatted all day to the driver and learned loads. (Including that I can’t handle 800kg of wine on a pallet!). I passed my Class 2 on the Friday, another awesome day.

By this point the company the agency had originally offered me had changed about 3 times but there was still 7.5t work on offer the following week. I turned up to a small logistics company, and when I eventually got going it was in a 3.5t delivering plumbing products to plumbing businesses across Devon. The agency did ring to tell me the client had changed the brief (I suspect they didn’t have time to teach me how to use an electric pallet truck to shift the pallets of paint etc and thought I’d be a safer bet on the plumbing). I was fine with that. I did that for a week and it was great to just get out on the road. There is so much to learn and I was constantly putting my gloves or clipboard down and not being able to find them, and putting the tail lift away before pulling the door closed and having to get the tail lift out again. I also swore I would never be one to drive off with the tail lift down and I was mortified to be alerted to the fact that I had indeed done so by multiple van drivers overtaking me on the A30. Embarrassing. Important lesson which cannot be overstated - always always check your vehicle after each delivery.

When you are an agency driver nobody tells you anything. You have to ask everything, including for help and where the toilet and staff room is. I found everyone to be either nice or very nice. I have found other drivers to be helpful and some have looked out for me, giving me their phone number incase I needed any questions answered en route. But honestly, no one tells you anything.

I think I got relatively lucky with my agency (small transport/industry specialist with several branches) as so far they have been very good at getting me work when I’m available, finding me alternative work when clients cancel, engaging with me and finding me suitable work for me as well as finding me work closer to where I live. I’ve also met a few of their other employees and they also speak well of them. The other agency I signed up with have occasionally offered me work but I’ve always been booked. It was only this week that they finally emailed to ask what work I’m interested in. One other agency (large national one) eventually got back to me and I signed up but they haven’t offered me work yet, mainly I think because I said I didn’t want to do pallets!

As advised on here I got all my own stuff but the agency supplied me with uniform and high viz and timesheets and told me how to fill the timesheets in and submit them. They guarantee 9h of pay per day. After 9h you don’t get paid for breaks but some clients pay an enhanced rate after 9h. I have only occasionally worked over 9h so far. They have also arranged, at my request, for 2 more work experience sessions which have been really helpful. One was before I did some tipper work and without a day spent with a driver I wouldn’t have had a clue how to operate the tipper and would have been much slower and probably dangerous. The agency keep in touch, answer my questions are efficient and helpful so I can say that I have a good handler.

Most recently I’ve done a few weeks at a local builders merchants delivering mainly kitchen and bathroom fittings in a 7.5t. I’ve loved it. The only downsides were it was more delivering and less driving than I’d like long term and in a smaller vehicle. The upsides: It’s been a great learning experience. Nowhere has easy access nor is easy to find where I’m based so the amount of local rural driving and reversing has been good for building my confidence and skills. Although I want to do some distance driving I’ve learned that I actually like rural driving - the quiet lanes and views etc. The firm I worked at were a really nice bunch of people plus it was own account so very chilled out. The hours were good and my commute relatively short (0730 start, latest finish 1645, 26 mile round trip). There was a bit of handball but as I was delivering to building sites or renovations, there was either a telehandler or muscle on site to help unload so it was a very rare occasion that I had to unload anything remotely heavy or awkward alone. I was offered a job and given positive feedback both from the client and the agency which was really nice to hear.

So, so far it’s working out as I wanted. I’ve given the agency plenty of notice of my unavailability and I have had work when I wanted it. I’m looking forward to graduating from 7.5t once I’ve done my Class 1 and gradually gaining more experience with larger vehicles while I decide what I want to do longer term. I can see why it takes a while to get there but I’m enjoying the journey.

Glad to hear all is going well and you are getting some great experience which I’m sure will help you come Class 1 time!

Great to hear you’re doing so well! Those tail lift stories take me back, exactly what I did myself. [emoji4]
For rural deliveries (or any deliveries) DelM8 app is fantastic for finding addresses, they do a free month trial to see if you like it.

driveress:
I’m looking forward to graduating from 7.5t .

Don’t forget your 32T tipper experience!

yourhavingalarf:

dozy:
I’ve upto now never got the crap most of the agency speak of

You sure…

About that? I seem to remember you whinging like a little girl that you’d been stitched up again on a Friday and would be out when you wanted to be home.

I work mon - wed , what’s fri got to do with it , unless you mean when I was tramping , which was employed , this question is about agency

yourhavingalarf:

dozy:
I’ve upto now never got the crap most of the agency speak of

You sure…

About that? I seem to remember you whinging like a little girl that you’d been stitched up again on a Friday and would be out when you wanted to be home.

I work mon - wed ( with the odd swap wed / thurs ) so I’m baffled how I’m struggling to get back on a Friday , I’ve been doing this for 2/3 yrs at a guess so still baffled
If you mean struggle to get home on a wed , then I’m obviously going to have a 15 left so always get home although late some times
Do you mean when I was tramping for stobarts , if so this thread is about Agency , I was employed & a a year ish with there agency
But it still stands , I’ve never had a phone call in middle of night , they txt me Friday normally with shifts / start times
I assume you’ve had these midnight calls , mug

Go into agency with the attitude to “Learn from Everything”.

Experience garnered thus whilst at the various assignments one will get in the early days (I.e. Dross jobs the more senior agency bods - don’t want) - will stand you in good stead much later when you know what job is what (because you’ve done them all at least once by that point) and then learn the ropes on how to consistently get the good stuff.

If this process of “Worker Distillation” didn’t happen - then we’d all be chucking in our £12-£15ph full time jobs to go get £16-£26ph agency jobs where even if you get half the shifts/working hours each and every week, you’ll find yourselves earning the same money with double the days off you used to get…

There’s a reason we don’t all do that - We can’t all do that.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the currently striking Train Drivers are putting together a “Flyer” work force ready to step in for 3-figures per hour to drive trains when there’s simply no one else left. The Unions have deliberately kept the workforce permanently short over the years, by restricting training. That bubble seems to have burst already on HGV driving, as everywhere you look nowadays - you see Firm-liveried vehicles with L plates on them! :open_mouth:

Ask an agency who their clients are - don’t bother signing up with those with “clients” such as transport yards(Eg. Nicholls) who are training their own drivers already.
If they’re not forthcoming with such information - jog on to another agency.

Did any agencies go bust during the lockdown, what with no work and no drivers for months on end?

“Must have work at any rate” - is what pushes hourly rates DOWN at the end of the day.

Which agency puts into places like Fedex, Yodel, and Hermes these days for example? - Give them a look…
I’d suggest avoiding the “Farm Hauliers” such as Fowler and Welch, Fresh Linc - who still have not got out of the £12ph zone, despite everything that has happened in the past year…
Leave that work for burly tough-guy drivers who, with their 6-9 points on licences have to take such work, as that’s all they can get. :neutral_face:

Winseer:
Go into agency with the attitude to “Learn from Everything”.

Experience garnered thus whilst at the various assignments one will get in the early days (I.e. Dross jobs the more senior agency bods - don’t want) - will stand you in good stead much later when you know what job is what (because you’ve done them all at least once by that point) and then learn the ropes on how to consistently get the good stuff.

If this process of “Worker Distillation” didn’t happen - then we’d all be chucking in our £12-£15ph full time jobs to go get £16-£26ph agency jobs where even if you get half the shifts/working hours each and every week, you’ll find yourselves earning the same money with double the days off you used to get…

There’s a reason we don’t all do that - We can’t all do that.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the currently striking Train Drivers are putting together a “Flyer” work force ready to step in for 3-figures per hour to drive trains when there’s simply no one else left. The Unions have deliberately kept the workforce permanently short over the years, by restricting training. That bubble seems to have burst already on HGV driving, as everywhere you look nowadays - you see Firm-liveried vehicles with L plates on them! :open_mouth:

Ask an agency who their clients are - don’t bother signing up with those with “clients” such as transport yards(Eg. Nicholls) who are training their own drivers already.
If they’re not forthcoming with such information - jog on to another agency.

Did any agencies go bust during the lockdown, what with no work and no drivers for months on end?

“Must have work at any rate” - is what pushes hourly rates DOWN at the end of the day.

Which agency puts into places like Fedex, Yodel, and Hermes these days for example? - Give them a look…
I’d suggest avoiding the “Farm Hauliers” such as Fowler and Welch, Fresh Linc - who still have not got out of the £12ph zone, despite everything that has happened in the past year…
Leave that work for burly tough-guy drivers who, with their 6-9 points on licences have to take such work, as that’s all they can get. :neutral_face:

Cheeky ■■■■■■ , I’m at culina ( Fowler welch ) for 3 days next week at moment , all the work I can get !!! , 6-9 point on license , burly !!! I only weigh 11stone , £12 ph , I don’t think so .

I thought I was replying to OP, who isn’t you? :confused: ^^^^

In any case, didn’t you say last month (Dozy) that your contract in Dartford was ending, and you’re going to another one involving Amazon, which make me think “Sainsburys>>>>>Amazon Prime” indeed…

How much are Cullina paying these days then? I’ve been offered Teyham work, but they don’t pay as well as couriers and supermarkets by the looks of it…

Aren’t Gist, Oare - looking for actual full timer permanents as well atm?

All depends what one is looking for, of course…

3 days a week - seems perfectly respectable to someone like moi, who doesn’t mind doing 12-15 hour shifts and all.
With the cost of commuting these days, the less days one goes to work to make up a full time set of hours - the more one saves…
Does that mean I’m obsessed with money? :stuck_out_tongue: