richgriff:
Hi Anorak and LB 76. I originally posted the photo on this thread. The chap second from the left was Pete Mountford who unfortunatly died last year.He originally did his apprenticeship with AEC, becoming a salesman.Upon the union of Leyland and AEC he moved to Preston,I believe this photo was taken at Leyland. Pete knew of my interest in lorries and my haulage background and left me a pile of ties,salesmans manuals,price lists for AEC`s,marathon cufflinks,AEC zippo lighter,and a few photos.I did not look through the memorabilia when Pete was still alive and ask him questions.Thanks to you guys for the input.Regards Rich.
I remember Pete Mountford when he was at Leyland. Very nice chap. He came up at the same time as several others. Another was Cliff Ewing who left to go to JCB.
i tracked this thread down as i was really interested in the reasons the AEC V8 was conceived and eventually canned.
there are some very interesting points made and facts produced by people who were there through the period these engines were designed, built, driven and maintained which provided good reading for someone like myself who has a keen interest in commercial vehicles of this period and after but who was but a nippa when all these things were happening.
thanks to almost all who contributed, i think i now get the overall picture of why things went the way they did.
however i stopped reading after about page 14 because of some poster who would ask questions and even submit possible contradictions to popular knowledge for the point of discussion but will constantly repeat the same old ■■■■■ over and over and over again till i got so ■■■■■■ off i clicked on the last page to post my own thanks for the contributions and annoyance at others for their belligerent inability to let it drop when proved unequivocally wrong and sadly those who bite, you only fuel the fire which leads to spoiling, not only this, but other really interesting threads.
so if i missed anything relevant to the demise of the AEC V8 engine in road transport in the last 9 or so pages please let me know and i will read them, ■■■■■ and all
i tracked this thread down as i was really interested in the reasons the AEC V8 was conceived and eventually canned.
there are some very interesting points made and facts produced by people who were there through the period these engines were designed, built, driven and maintained which provided good reading for someone like myself who has a keen interest in commercial vehicles of this period and after but who was but a nippa when all these things were happening.
thanks to almost all who contributed, i think i now get the overall picture of why things went the way they did.
however i stopped reading after about page 14 because of some poster who would ask questions and even submit possible contradictions to popular knowledge for the point of discussion but will constantly repeat the same old [zb] over and over and over again till i got so ■■■■■■ off i clicked on the last page to post my own thanks for the contributions and annoyance at others for their belligerent inability to let it drop when proved unequivocally wrong and sadly those who bite, you only fuel the fire which leads to spoiling, not only this, but other really interesting threads.
so if i missed anything relevant to the demise of the AEC V8 engine in road transport in the last 9 or so pages please let me know and i will read them, [zb] and all
many thanks
Patrick
Yes Pat many a thread on here has been ruined by a certain contributor , what i have read on here basically says it was a great performer of the time , ive not read of anyone saying different performance wise but lots of reliabilty problems due to it being put into production before it was developed properly and of course the total lack of funding . A very well respected contibutor on here mentioned that in the early 70s AEC had got it right but Leyland decided against a relaunch . There were a few around the Bradford area Leathers had one and i think the Bradford training centre had one too
It seems to me that the original design was flawed for more than just 1 reason, I am sure the 1st protoype v8 that scania, or any other manufacturer built wasnt the same one that went into production!!
The ‘shelve it’ rather than develop it situation could have been down to many issues, cash, proposed mergers or many other reasons that we dont know of but it should have had much more development before its introduction.
As for Lord stokes, he must take the blame for the failings, he was the top man and as th saying goes “the buck stops here” that said he, as all senior management can, could only act and make decisions on the information he received from below. ?.
it also seems that the ones which made it into service were mostly thrashed which would also lead to reliability issues…I am assuming you have done your fair share of driving and so will be well aware that no 2 drivers are the same and as such, even given identical motors, will produce different levels of economy and reliability.
All in all it was a crying shame the AEC V8 never made it as I personally love the sound of a nice V8 under my right foot
I have great memories regarding the ergo cab from been a kid and going out with my old man during school hols, never driven 1 or had to live in 1 for a week or more though.
Really interesting topic and we’ll debated, many thanks again to all who have contributed
It seems to me that the original design was flawed for more than just 1 reason, I am sure the 1st protoype v8 that scania, or any other manufacturer built wasnt the same one that went into production!!
The ‘shelve it’ rather than develop it situation could have been down to many issues, cash, proposed mergers or many other reasons that we dont know of but it should have had much more development before its introduction.
As for Lord stokes, he must take the blame for the failings, he was the top man and as th saying goes “the buck stops here” that said he, as all senior management can, could only act and make decisions on the information he received from below. ?.
it also seems that the ones which made it into service were mostly thrashed which would also lead to reliability issues…I am assuming you have done your fair share of driving and so will be well aware that no 2 drivers are the same and as such, even given identical motors, will produce different levels of economy and reliability.
All in all it was a crying shame the AEC V8 never made it as I personally love the sound of a nice V8 under my right foot
I have great memories regarding the ergo cab from been a kid and going out with my old man during school hols, never driven 1 or had to live in 1 for a week or more though.
Really interesting topic and we’ll debated, many thanks again to all who have contributed
Patrick
Patrick, you’ll find loads more on this subject in some considerable depth on the Why did British Leyland fail? thread. You’ll have to endure some interjections, but all in all it’s an excellent thread. Here’s the link:
There is an excellent article by Peter Davies - with lots of pics - about the history of the AEC V8, in the latest (July) issue of Classic Truck. Robert
I found another successful oversquare V8 in a 1990 copy of a Dutch (or was it Swedish) magazine I found lying around- Steyr 12 litre. Its bore was 5mm bigger than its stroke, and it was still competitive, at 400-ish bhp, when the magazine tested it against Europe’s best.
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anorak:
I found another successful oversquare V8 in a 1990 copy of a Dutch (or was it Swedish) magazine I found lying around- Steyr 12 litre. Its bore was 5mm bigger than its stroke, and it was still competitive, at 400-ish bhp, when the magazine tested it against Europe’s best.
The Ford 289 V8 was over square too just like the Cosworth DFV.No surprise that no one ever entered a DFV at Le Mans. IE square over square is a red herring it’s how much that counts.On that note ‘how much’ Steyr v AEC.
patrick 68:
It seems to me that the original design was flawed for more than just 1 reason, I am sure the 1st protoype v8 that scania, or any other manufacturer built wasnt the same one that went into production!!
I think Scania had trials with a V8 Perkins way back in time.
patrick 68:
It seems to me that the original design was flawed for more than just 1 reason, I am sure the 1st protoype v8 that scania, or any other manufacturer built wasnt the same one that went into production!!
I think Scania had trials with a V8 Perkins way back in time.
patrick 68:
It seems to me that the original design was flawed for more than just 1 reason, I am sure the 1st protoype v8 that scania, or any other manufacturer built wasnt the same one that went into production!!
I think Scania had trials with a V8 Perkins way back in time.
Dave.
I bet they didn’t…
Hi Andrew,I think BRS ran a few somewhere around the Midlands area, maybe it was something BRS done off their own back.
Can anyone confirm or put me straight on wether Scania developed their engine from the AEC engine.
dave docwra:
Can anyone confirm or put me straight on wether Scania developed their engine from the AEC engine.
Dave.
It they did they obviously fixed the problem of the AEC’s stupid bore and stroke measurements.However the obviously impossible architecture differences,between a 130 x 114 design v 127 x 140 and bearing in mind the relative production dates realistically busts that myth.
patrick 68:
It seems to me that the original design was flawed for more than just 1 reason, I am sure the 1st protoype v8 that scania, or any other manufacturer built wasnt the same one that went into production!!
I think Scania had trials with a V8 Perkins way back in time.
Dave.
I bet they didn’t…
Hi Andrew,I think BRS ran a few somewhere around the Midlands area, maybe it was something BRS done off their own back.
Can anyone confirm or put me straight on wether Scania developed their engine from the AEC engine.
Dave.
There was definitely a Scania running around in the 70s with a Perkins engine ,somewhere on here theres a photo of it, can you imagine the conversation , i`ve got you a 110 Scania erm but erm its got a Perkins in it !!!
As for the V8 Scania it was their own design
newmercman:
The Scania with the Perkins was a 110 run by Samuel Williams of Dagenham, they also had one with a Rolls Royce engine.
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I think it was a ■■■■■■■■ not a Perkins, NMM. There was OOG 983G with the RR 280 in it and a 9-speed Fuller; and OOG 980G with a ■■■■■■■ and I think a 13-speed Fuller - they’re on here somewhere! Robert
Just the thought of Swedes going apoplectic with rage at the sight of ‘their’ motors with the ‘right’ engine and transmission in them would have made the conversion worthwhile in itself.
did get a bit fed up of the ‘interjections’ there too but mostly very interesting
Cheers Bewick.
