There’s me thinking anyone who owns a transport company has to be REPUTABLE! 
Get out of there, and get another job, there are other driving jobs out there .
it too late when the proverbial hits the fan !!
Yep get out as fast as you can, you should already be looking for other jobs.
Sounds like you work for a small outfit who would do all they could to drop you in it and cover their arses if you had an accident.
Although you could get granted immunity as a whistle blower (or I may just have watched too much telly) I doub’t you would want the hassle, make a clean break as soon as possible.
Bikernut, there is no “whisteblower” protection enshrined in the drivers regs. The DVSA holds you responsible for breaking the regs so shopping the gaffer will get you nowhere. The DVSA’s attituted in these cases is clear. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to break the regs, you are as much responsible as the company is, even more so. You could have quit on the first day they asked you to operate bent, you could have said no and refused, instead you participated in the continued illegal operation.
You have no leg to stand on if you guys get caught. You only have one option, that is to walk and don’t start doing this again with the next outfit you end up with.
Please don’t go causing an accident as some here suggested and don’t go reporting them now, it is too late for that.
If you’re on manual tachos, unlikely the office will keep them. Bin any you have, give it 6 months the anonymously drop them in it. But dont forget, if dvsa come knocking and ask for any tachos, you handed them all in before you left
degsy4wheels:
If you’re on manual tachos, unlikely the office will keep them. Bin any you have, give it 6 months the anonymously drop them in it. But dont forget, if dvsa come knocking and ask for any tachos, you handed them all in before you left
Very careful with that one, if the company uses digicard data or paper tacho for WTD record keeping then those are kept for 2 years, so there may well be a record of it for a lot longer. Of course the question is would a company that blatantly disregards the regs as this one really want to keep a record?
IF you shop them after a few months hoping that your records are gone and that they are still operating this illegally, the DVSA is going to ask how did you come about this information and they won’t automatically investigate unless you have something substantial to give them as part of what you consider to be illegal activities and of such a standard that the DVSA is going to make the effort.
Good point, however as you said if they are blatantly bent then it’s unlikely they will keep records to drop themselves in it. As for reporting them. I see your point. The mmtm wouldn’t work either. …mmm
Bikernut,you did the right thing by coming on here to get some options on what to do,i noticed in the post that 18 hour days were done.
And driving vehicles that do not need tachos,then in tacho vehicles.
The problem is not recording or declaring all activities.
If the situation turned nasty,the Police could find out all activity by mobile phone and vehicle phone records.
Deleting records is no good.They can retrieve all the information forensicly with computers.
This matches up location and times.
Bank records can be looked at,listing times goods were bought.
If it showed a coffee purchase at 4am and a packet of crisps at 22.00 with cctv of different vehicles,that is the proof for fraud/forgery of tachos which MAY lead to a custodial sentence.
I’d just leave and put it down to experience. You have been breaking the law too so a bit much to grass them up
Ok, here’s my view as a Commercial Vehicle enforcement cop.
- Do nothing, moan on here and run the risk, if I stop you and yoyr charts are bent, your looking at £900 in fines in your name.
- Leave and PM me with company details. I can bear them in mind for future issues.
- Leave and contact Crimestoppers and leave the information and it will get passed onto the traffic unit that covers where the company is based, they may or may nor do something will depend on if they have properly trained staff and equipment to download data etc.
Traffic Rat:
Ok, here’s my view as a Commercial Vehicle enforcement cop.
- Do nothing, moan on here and run the risk, if I stop you and yoyr charts are bent, your looking at £900 in fines in your name.
- Leave and PM me with company details. I can bear them in mind for future issues.
- Leave and contact Crimestoppers and leave the information and it will get passed onto the traffic unit that covers where the company is based, they may or may nor do something will depend on if they have properly trained staff and equipment to download data etc.
How could you not prosecute him when you find out in your investigation that he was breaking the law himself, you can’t just ignore it, the law won’t allow you.
On a public safety issue,Traffic Rat should shut down these cowboys who put profit and greed before tired drivers.
There is no room for a dangerous driver,with the roads saturated and holiday season looming.
I think the bosses have covered their bases by a dodgy set up of who owns what if they are caught one day.Directors changing names to avoid court payments.
If biketnut is stopped one day,his best option is to admit all the offences or get done for wasting Police time.
I hope Traffic Rat can sort this out before somebody is killed.18 hour days with no breaks as doing manual work.One day it will happen.
It could be someone on here that gets killed.
Traffic Rat:
Ok, here’s my view as a Commercial Vehicle enforcement cop.
- Do nothing, moan on here and run the risk, if I stop you and yoyr charts are bent, your looking at £900 in fines in your name.
- Leave and PM me with company details. I can bear them in mind for future issues.
- Leave and contact Crimestoppers and leave the information and it will get passed onto the traffic unit that covers where the company is based, they may or may nor do something will depend on if they have properly trained staff and equipment to download data etc.
The problem with options 2 and 3 is that potentially the OP will also be dropping himself in the brown stuff.
The most sensible option isn’t mentioned in your post, and that’s to leave the company and not put himself in the same situation again.
6 months is the time limit tacho data can be used, might be kept for 2 years but the limit is 6 months.
There is only one thing to do, leave the company ASAP and keep your trap shut. Awe this pish about phoning crime stoppers is crazy it’s like grassing yourself in.
tachograph:
Traffic Rat:
Ok, here’s my view as a Commercial Vehicle enforcement cop.
- Do nothing, moan on here and run the risk, if I stop you and yoyr charts are bent, your looking at £900 in fines in your name.
- Leave and PM me with company details. I can bear them in mind for future issues.
- Leave and contact Crimestoppers and leave the information and it will get passed onto the traffic unit that covers where the company is based, they may or may nor do something will depend on if they have properly trained staff and equipment to download data etc.
The problem with options 2 and 3 is that potentially the OP will also be dropping himself in the brown stuff.
The most sensible option isn’t mentioned in your post, and that’s to leave the company and not put himself in the same situation again.
the problem with 2 and 3 is that they have to prosecute the driver/s first, when they receive a guilty verdict against the driver/s they will then take action against the operator for permitting the offense.
Until they receive a guilty verdict against driver/s there’s no case against the operator
merc0447:
6 months is the time limit tacho data can be used, .
Don’t confuse the 6 month time limit of Road Traffic Act offenses with offenses under the 1995 act pertaining to Heavy goods vehicles, they are exempt from the 6 month statute of limitations as clearly stated in the CPS guide for prosecution of Road Traffic offenses.
The CPS can go back years if they find the records or can prove from other sources that you broke the Tacho regs.
As they did in the Boyles Transport case.Non stop deliveries to anywhere in Europe which undercut legal operators.
Glad I’m not in this position. Companies like this should be stopped but there’s got to be a better way of stopping them without throwing yourself under the wheels of the bus first.
I left a company a few years ago with a joke of a transport manager. Nothing was ever analysed, defects left to run, disregard of WTD and many other issues relating to operating bases and vehicles owned vs. Amount allowed on O licence.
Maybe they’ve cleaned their act up now but maybe not. Problem is anyone reporting it will just come across as sour grapes and most probably gets ignored as disgruntled exemployee.
You knowingly broke many laws and come on here for advice? Well my advice would be to report the company and then be a man and accept the concequences of your actions. Rather than face a little financial hardship you put yourself and others at risk. Stop doing this right away and do whatever you can to ensure no-one else is doing it either !!