I have a 460 premium on a 12 plate.I pull a tipper and am always fully loaded when loaded.Most of our work is around Hull ,York, Fridaythorpe,Malton,Selby and the coast so its quite hilly.I can get about 7 or 8 days running out of my adblue and its just the standard tank.Its only just got 31000 ks on the clock so hoping it will improve.Mind you its not my own truck but i try to get the best fuel consumption out of it.We do between 2000 and 3000k a week.It uses loads if i go to Manchester more than if i go up the coast road to Middlesbrough.
“if a company wants me to drive a motor with diesel, they can fill it”
for the really bolshy 
mind you the first driving job I had , there was an oldtimer on light duties who filled up the motors, the drivers stayed in the cabs.
Our Actros 460 uses around 50 -55 liters for 3300 km - it has a 40 liter ad blu tank and i carry 3 x 10 liters extra and normally use just 2 to get me home
regards
Steve
I’ve never had a full time Euro5, but Dads new P420 artic uses about 25l a week doing approx 400 km/day.
norb:
All euro 5 vehicles with ad blue will limit powerif the tank is empty ,only ones that don’t are the very early versions before NOX sensors where fitted.Same as all EGR vehicles limit power if there is an EGR fault…Ad -blue consumption is variable depending on the work the vehicle does ,with multi drop in city centre for example ,the vehicle will use little if any ad-blue as the exhaust temp never get to where it needs to be for the system to operate…Motorway work will us more ,and generally more if loaded rather than unloaded ,example a loaded truck gets all the temps up to what is required for the system to work .Also ad blue will only be injected when the engine is under load and working hard ie : fully loaded and going up a hill.with foot off throttle going down hill no ad blue will be used
Every bit of that I agree with. I got that warning up after I spent a year doing London every day,as you say, no temprature build up - no Adblue being used. Main Dealer unblocked/renewed crystalised pipes in system. Got back to a bit of heavy and motorway work and now it drinks Adblue! 
im running a 59 plate daf xf ssc 105 460
around 2100 km pw i use 60lts of adblue on local tipper work this week
which is the normal usage for me
lee hawke:
im running a 59 plate daf xf ssc 105 460
around 2100 km pw i use 60lts of adblue on local tipper work this week
which is the normal usage for me
Some mileage that hawkster on grimmy pit stacks aint it… you need to get a honda plonk for the pit stacks much cheaper that that down hill wheel shaking boiler.
just ave the add blue turned off, even daf will turn it off for you !!!
My Premium 460 uses about 20ltrs per day. It’s double shifted and does about 1200kms a day.
muckles:
norb:
muckles:
C10HOO:
Also was speaking to a driver tonight who is “old school” and is adamant he will never put that crap in a truck, it’s nothing to do with him, to quote it was “if a company wants me to drive a motor with adblue, they can fill it”Am I wrong i my thinking that filling the adblue is no different than fuelling up, infact they’re done at the same time… Plus running with an empty adblue tank is a little naughty.
These guys normally have plenty to say, about what they will and won’t do, when talking to other drivers, but when some bod comes out of the office they’re as meek as a lamb. Watch them though as they’re also the one that will stab you in the back.
They are going to (if they haven’t started already) in Ad Blue in cars, I had visions of chaos as drivers fill the tank with all sorts of stuff or put the ad blue into the fuel tank,
They all ready have merc and vw models with adblue ,think it’s hidden in the boot and topped up during service
Seems to confirm what I was told a couple of years back, I just wasn’t sure if they were already on the market.
Think the Audi Q8 has it on now. 
Saying that, if you can afford an Audi Q8, you can afford to be ripped by the dealer to fill the tank with a bit of refined pig pee! 
Some people have more money than sense.
Couple of points ; AD blue is basicly pig ■■■■ yes thats right urea the person who came up with the idea is now sitting in the south of France drinking champagne while the transport industry pays in the name of green. it is sprayed on the exit side of the exhaust and is there to reduce the emissions this can be done in other ways but if you build a load of sensors ect into the engine management system then you have tohave the stuff otherwise no go. when these engines are sent abroad after we have finishedwith them do you think some guy in the middle of Africa runs them on ad blue no they rip the electronic ■■■■■■■■ off and with not a lot of mods they run perfectly well. Other point ; Manufactures Scania/ Volvo ect are finding it harder and harder to juggle green issues against poweroutput i have a 620 if the adblue and other such stuff was removed you could probably add 80/100horse . However as long as profit is the name of the game this built in obsolecence will continue to be built in, in the name of green.
Goldfinger:
muckles:
norb:
muckles:
C10HOO:
Also was speaking to a driver tonight who is “old school” and is adamant he will never put that crap in a truck, it’s nothing to do with him, to quote it was “if a company wants me to drive a motor with adblue, they can fill it”Am I wrong i my thinking that filling the adblue is no different than fuelling up, infact they’re done at the same time… Plus running with an empty adblue tank is a little naughty.
These guys normally have plenty to say, about what they will and won’t do, when talking to other drivers, but when some bod comes out of the office they’re as meek as a lamb. Watch them though as they’re also the one that will stab you in the back.
They are going to (if they haven’t started already) in Ad Blue in cars, I had visions of chaos as drivers fill the tank with all sorts of stuff or put the ad blue into the fuel tank,
They all ready have merc and vw models with adblue ,think it’s hidden in the boot and topped up during service
Seems to confirm what I was told a couple of years back, I just wasn’t sure if they were already on the market.
Think the Audi Q8 has it on now.
I can asure you the exhaust emission system on a modern diesel car is nothing like the adblue system on a truck, and I can also tell you both these systems can be switched off with the right ECU editing software.
globby 480:
lee hawke:
im running a 59 plate daf xf ssc 105 460
around 2100 km pw i use 60lts of adblue on local tipper work this week
which is the normal usage for meSome mileage that hawkster on grimmy pit stacks aint it… you need to get a honda plonk for the pit stacks much cheaper that that down hill wheel shaking boiler.
just ave the add blue turned off, even daf will turn it off for you !!!
as you very well no old pal
i wouldnt go (and carnt go ) to my local daf dealer for trying to f*ck me over on numorous
occasions so like the old saying if u carnt afford to put it in the tank its time to pack in :lol
norfolk:
Couple of points ; AD blue is basicly pig ■■■■ yes thats right urea the person who came up with the idea is now sitting in the south of France drinking champagne while the transport industry pays in the name of green. it is sprayed on the exit side of the exhaust and is there to reduce the emissions this can be done in other ways but if you build a load of sensors ect into the engine management system then you have tohave the stuff otherwise no go. when these engines are sent abroad after we have finishedwith them do you think some guy in the middle of Africa runs them on ad blue no they rip the electronic ■■■■■■■■ off and with not a lot of mods they run perfectly well. Other point ; Manufactures Scania/ Volvo ect are finding it harder and harder to juggle green issues against poweroutput i have a 620 if the adblue and other such stuff was removed you could probably add 80/100horse . However as long as profit is the name of the game this built in obsolecence will continue to be built in, in the name of green.
Ad blue is urea as you say ,but for it being pig ■■■■ ,cat ■■■■ ,human ■■■■ (as some have tried ) your way off the mark ,Unless you know of farms with pigs with colostomy bags fitted to them…It isn’t sprayed on the exit side of the ehaust ,it is sprayed on the inlet side ,as it has to mix with the exhaust fumes before going through the catalyst where the cleaning is done ,then it exits the exhaust nice and clean…
I agree that when sent abroad to africa etc they won’t worry about ad blue ,a software programme would probably be enough to disable the system…Ripping the electronics of wouldnt help since with it’s drive by wire you can’t just fit a throttle cable
All the laws regarding emissions don’t come from manufacturers ,it comes from those nice people in brussels ,do you honestly think manufacturers enjoy spending millions developing this stuff,along with the millions developing new engines for it ■■
Removing ad blue would not add anyway near 80 to 100 bhp…All manufacturers are finding it hard to keep up with euro law and it’s drive for green
Now that NOX is down to as low as they can manage those in the euro parly will probably aim for lowering of particulates …it’s already being targeted in euro6
So by the looks of NOX % is on the floor, they’re now aiming at lowering particles.
If it keeps going the way it is, our trucks will be running cleaner than an electric car and so should have free road tax!!! 
So much for us winning the war in Europe all them years ago… 
On the point of cars needing adblue I was looking at buying a VW Crafter that is identical nearly to a Merc Sprinter … the salesman not knowing I run truks says " Oh and you need to top up the particulate fluid about every 30k and it only uses 1 ltr every 20k … what he was actually saying was buy this van and give us £27 a litre or as i asked for a quote £ 46 fitted when he told me this I offered to sell him some!
With regard the nice people in Brussels and the manufactures it suits them both that if you want anything done to the engine you have to go to the manufactures to either buy the specialist gear to fix the it or they will do it for you at a price. the profit margins on vehicles is small ,parts and back up service make the pennies. With regard Horsepower im only quoteing both what Volvo and Scania engineers have both widely stated . As for fly by wire systems people from 3rd world countries are quite adept at adapting any systemsfor there own use hence the fact if you go toany port in Britain you will see plenty of trucks heading out there within a very short time of arriveing they are adapted and working and in worse conditions than you will see on the m25. By the way a set of injectors for a Scania V8 could be removed taken serviced and refitted for 40 to 70 pounds ( less labour ) a job ive done many times. Would you like to give me a quote for the same job on the 620 Scania V8 now ( that 40 to 70 pounds is per injector you ll have a job to get one for what i payed for a set)
norfolk:
With regard the nice people in Brussels and the manufactures it suits them both that if you want anything done to the engine you have to go to the manufactures to either buy the specialist gear to fix the it or they will do it for you at a price. the profit margins on vehicles is small ,parts and back up service make the pennies. With regard Horsepower im only quoteing both what Volvo and Scania engineers have both widely stated . As for fly by wire systems people from 3rd world countries are quite adept at adapting any systemsfor there own use hence the fact if you go toany port in Britain you will see plenty of trucks heading out there within a very short time of arriveing they are adapted and working and in worse conditions than you will see on the m25. By the way a set of injectors for a Scania V8 could be removed taken serviced and refitted for 40 to 70 pounds ( less labour ) a job ive done many times. Would you like to give me a quote for the same job on the 620 Scania V8 now ( that 40 to 70 pounds is per injector you ll have a job to get one for what i payed for a set)
Correct Dealers / Manufacturers don’t make much on the price when selling a truck ,the money as you state is in parts and service
I did say that africian countries would have no need of ad blue ,(mainly as no one cares what pollution they kick out ) and i also say all they would need would be new software to run without adblue,which won’t be that difficult …Can’t give you a quote for that job as that isn’t what i do for a living …But good on you getting stuff for the price you do…nothing wrong with that …though it has nothing to do with my previous post …I was just commenting on ablue and trucks going abroad ,not on price of repairs so you have lost me there
No prob my main point was that the more maufactors can take it out of our hands in the name of green the happier they are the sensor on my 620 went it was off the road 2 days the offside wing had to come off , fuel tank moved ect ect ( it was still under warrenty ) but i still lost the moter and work as a result . The previous moter kept shutting the engine down and it was always to do with a ecu or simular sensor. You get a bit pi… off in limp mode at 80+ ton so do the people stuck behind you and it makes it worse when having worked on and with engines you know theres nothing you can do.
Can totally understand understand how you can get ■■■■■■ off…Ufortunately it’s going to get worse in the future,with those in brussels thinking up new ways to save the planet ,whilst it appears the rest of the world can cause as much pollution as they want.Dealers hate theses ssystems as much as anyone…They aren’t always that simple to diagnoise,the cost as everyone knows for the parents are dear ,so you really can’t just try a part to see if it cures it .In fact there is 1 engine i know of where it uses the abmient temp sensor ,ie the the sensor that gives you the reading on the instument panel,if that goes pear shape you get the de-rate.Thankfully tha is a cheap fix…Also the diagnostic kit isn’t the genius people think it is…And unfortunately new lads as mechanics struggle to diagnois good old mechanical engine faults,if the laptop doesn’t tell them they are ■■■■■…After all a laptop can tell if mains are ■■■■■…The other issue dealers have is staff turnover ,if lads with experience on the systems leave then thats experience gone probably to be replaced by someone who knows nothing about the systemsand their common faults …Unfortunately loyalty isn’t rewarded.Afterall why should a new start get paid more than someone who has been there 15 years .New start can only do inspection and associated repairs ,but long timer is doing gearboxes diffs engines,and all the associated systems …I know none of that has anything to do with your problems with your truck ,but unfortunately it could affect you when you have an issue