Accident in France involving UK truck

That’s generally for preservation of evidence. Perhaps the French use the lazer scanning equipment we keep hearing about?

OVLOV JAY:
Everyone is different. I can get by on 5-6 hours sleep quite easy. Do tend to play catchup over the weekend though. But I’ve met plenty who need 8 hours. A 9 hour break makes that pretty difficult, unless you’ve already eaten before parking up

for now you can get by. :grimacing: wait til you hit 40, 50 then 60 plus years young. :laughing: I can manage on about four hours kip, but I’m nearly retired. :sunglasses:

iomex:

Harry Monk:

AndrewG:
Doesnt matter how long youve worked previous, whether its 5 hrs or 15hrs, its still a nine hour break and surely enough for anyone.

If you took your family on holiday, how would you feel if your aeroplane was piloted by a captain who had just worked three fifteen hour shifts with nine hours off in between?

Pilot tiredness is actually an industry problem. There have been a few stories lately of both pilots falling asleep and waking up way past their destination. High stress + long periods of excruciating boredom + ridiculous start/finish times are to blame.

I watched an air crash documentary the other week about the subject of tiredness in pilots and and copilots, was quite an eye opener, basically the investigation teams on 3 crashes resulting in hundreds dying was caused not by them falling asleep, but by them doing things that they really shouldn’t be doing when on approach to landing, their phrase to it was under the infuence of fatigue.

AndrewG:
Doesnt matter how long youve worked previous, whether its 5 hrs or 15hrs, its still a nine hour break and surely enough for anyone. You cant do this every day of the week in any case.
Who knows what happened here, fell asleep,lack of judgement or maybe just inexperience■■?

Under eu rules you can do 6 x 15 hour shifts and take 5 x 9 hours daily rest in a week legally.

It looks like the truck had orange haz plates on the back doors doesn’t it? So under French regs he should have been doing max of 80kph although the autoroute limit is 90kph for other trucks. I assume that section is 130kph for cars etc.
Probably not relevant, just commenting.

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OVLOV JAY:
Everyone is different. I can get by on 5-6 hours sleep quite easy. Do tend to play catchup over the weekend though. But I’ve met plenty who need 8 hours. A 9 hour break makes that pretty difficult, unless you’ve already eaten before parking up

If your like most of us other box jockeys Jay, you get the opportunity to catch some sleep through the day, 3-4 hour tips. Refreshing the batteries.

weeto:
Under eu rules you can do 6 x 15 hour shifts and take 5 x 9 hours daily rest in a week legally.

unless I’m missing something, I think you mean 3 x 9 nine hours daily rest, and 3 x 12 hour split daily rest, and the thing with the split rest, is that you need to use it as rest. If you use it to get some sleep, or go for an hours walk away from the truck, have a wonder around a local high street, or get out into some countryside, this can be as refreshing as sleep, and the so called 15 hour day actually doesn’t feel like a 15 hr shift, it feels more like 2 half shifts.

weeto:

iomex:

Harry Monk:

AndrewG:
Doesnt matter how long youve worked previous, whether its 5 hrs or 15hrs, its still a nine hour break and surely enough for anyone.

If you took your family on holiday, how would you feel if your aeroplane was piloted by a captain who had just worked three fifteen hour shifts with nine hours off in between?

Pilot tiredness is actually an industry problem. There have been a few stories lately of both pilots falling asleep and waking up way past their destination. High stress + long periods of excruciating boredom + ridiculous start/finish times are to blame.

I watched an air crash documentary the other week about the subject of tiredness in pilots and and copilots, was quite an eye opener, basically the investigation teams on 3 crashes resulting in hundreds dying was caused not by them falling asleep, but by them doing things that they really shouldn’t be doing when on approach to landing, their phrase to it was under the infuence of fatigue.
https://youtu.be/g3kGeOO_eOk

Apart from the other day, the only time I’ve ever done any damage (and has never been anything worse than a few dented panels), is when I was driving when tired. So I just don’t do it anymore. You do weird stuff when tired. When I used to do 18 hour taxi shifts, I’d hallucinate and see pedestrians in the road momentarily, or see cars that weren’t there.

With HGV driving, I make damned sure I’m not tired, I’m not pratting about driving a truck when tired.

In the 80s when rules were optional :wink: ,.I done a mega long shift, saw a guy walking his dog across the M6 at early hours, anchored up hard and he just disappeared, either I was too tired, or he was a ■■■■ ghost…(I know he didn’t end up wrapped around my back axle anyway)
Took things a bit more seriously after that.

The legendary"BlackDog" is the thing reportedly seen by over tired drivers.

Science has proven those your brain starts to mess with you when you’re tired. The more you’re tired, the worse it gets. I’ve done 15 hour days on as little as two hours sleep, in London but I put that down to still being young. I don’t think i’ll be able to pull that same stunt when I’m 40+.