DoubleQ:
As someone who specialises in the carrage of Steel
Im looking at that photo MORTIFIED
The photo is such poor quality that Im not certant whether that’s a peice of Box-section or an Ingot.
Which/Either [ Ingot/Box section] doesnt matter,
as it certantly wiegh’s enought to easly crush to death
either the guy gliding it, or the dude with hi-vis trosers
If it should slip out of that sling
de 2xQ
PS: My guess is, that the total load = 9 tonnes ( i.e 4x 2T’ish Ingots )
Seeing as the slings are doubled around lifting points built in to the blocks of steel i seriously doubt that will happen.
They are test weights weighing 2 tonne each. Plenty of driver’s have previously said " 2 straps will be ok, they won’t go anywhere" only to be proved wrong to their cost.
I can’t believe the lack of Boots, Hard Hats, Hi Viz & Gloves etc. every time I attempt to work like that there appears at the speed of light, a safety ■■■■ wanting to put me against the wall with a blindfold on !
the kaiser:
They are test weights weighing 2 tonne each. Plenty of driver’s have previously said " 2 straps will be ok, they won’t go anywhere" only to be proved wrong to their cost.
I can’t believe the lack of Boots, Hard Hats, Hi Viz & Gloves etc. every time I attempt to work like that there appears at the speed of light, a safety ■■■■ wanting to put me against the wall with a blindfold on !
DoubleQ:
As someone who specialises in the carrage of Steel
PS: My guess is, that the total load = 9 tonnes ( i.e 4x 2T’ish Ingots )
if they are solid steel…they are far heavier than 2 tonne.
if you look at the second picture,it looks like there are 2 blocks on the road…possibly weighing 4.5 tonne each.
I know one thing…the steel coils I carry regularly from south wales are approx. 12 tonne each
You on about the coils from Celsa in Cardiff■■? if you are they are no way near 12 tonne each as a full load usually has about 10 coils on,Loaded as singles then doubles over the rear axle. they probably weigh about 2-2 and half tonne each.
DoubleQ:
As someone who specialises in the carrage of Steel
PS: My guess is, that the total load = 9 tonnes ( i.e 4x 2T’ish Ingots )
if they are solid steel…they are far heavier than 2 tonne.
if you look at the second picture,it looks like there are 2 blocks on the road…possibly weighing 4.5 tonne each.
I know one thing…the steel coils I carry regularly from south wales are approx. 12 tonne each
You on about the coils from Celsa in Cardiff■■? if you are they are no way near 12 tonne each as a full load usually has about 10 coils on,Loaded as singles then doubles over the rear axle. they probably weigh about 2-2 and half tonne each.
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
You on about the coils from Celsa in Cardiff■■? if you are they are no way near 12 tonne each as a full load usually has about 10 coils on,Loaded as singles then doubles over the rear axle. they probably weigh about 2-2 and half tonne each.
Steve: Coil’s come in varity of different sizes ( From Baby ones about 1T → 12T+ )
All should be transported within a sillage
( for large 5T+ ones, the “Stillage” MUST be a Well built into the Trailer/Wagon Bed )
Rolling over or Harsh Braking while carrying such a load even if there in a “Well”, is MOST defiantly NOT Recommended no mater what technique/loading pattern has been deployed to distribute there weight & secure them
And are a whole’ly different load to that present in this incident.
As many have previously pointed out,
There are a multitude of health & Safely issues apparent in the 1st news item photo.
And a multitude of bad practices present
in the manner than “this” (incident) load was loaded & secured.
I truely feel sorry for this guy ( not a good way to learn from experience )
I feel: There should be specialised training required before being let loose with such a load ( simular to ADR training ) When I 1st began to carry steel, I had the pleasure of being forced to have a more experienced driver, ride shotgun with me for a fortnite. When “He” was satisfied I had aquired “The Knoledge” I was cleared to go solo.
de 2xQ ( dont forget to wave, if its safe to do so )
DoubleQ:
Steve: Coil’s come in varity of different sizes ( From Baby ones about 1T → 12T+ )
All should be transported within a sillage
( for large 5T+ ones, the “Stillage” MUST be a Well built into the Trailer/Wagon Bed )
all our coils are transported on standard tauts(as are some of owens)
industry standard practice is 2 slip mats and 4 standard ratchets per coil…although this is changing from octoberish.
the health and safety bloke at tata (rob) is a good bloke.
when I first started,he was all over me like a rash,but instead of being an ■■■■■■■…he was on the back of the trailer showing me how to do it properly
I also carry little packs of sheet,which are approx. 750x750x750mm.
these weigh about a tonne…so there`s no way the blocks in the photo are only 2 tonne
One of yous is talking about rolled plate steel carried in coil well trailers from tata port talbot which weigh 12 tonne each & one of yous is talking about thin steel mesh wire for concrete reinforcement in loose coils which weigh about a tonne each from Celsa, Cardiff.
The blocks may also be a lighter metal than steel, I had zinc on the other day for instance which was still heavy but alu ingots would be lighter for example.
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
You on about the coils from Celsa in Cardiff■■? if you are they are no way near 12 tonne each as a full load usually has about 10 coils on,Loaded as singles then doubles over the rear axle. they probably weigh about 2-2 and half tonne each.
Steve: Coil’s come in varity of different sizes ( From Baby ones about 1T → 12T+ )
All should be transported within a sillage
( for large 5T+ ones, the “Stillage” MUST be a Well built into the Trailer/Wagon Bed )
Rolling over or Harsh Braking while carrying such a load even if there in a “Well”, is MOST defiantly NOT Recommended no mater what technique/loading pattern has been deployed to distribute there weight & secure them
And are a whole’ly different load to that present in this incident.
As many have previously pointed out,
There are a multitude of health & Safely issues apparent in the 1st news item photo.
And a multitude of bad practices present
in the manner than “this” (incident) load was loaded & secured.
I truely feel sorry for this guy ( not a good way to learn from experience )
I feel: There should be specialised training required before being let loose with such a load ( simular to ADR training ) When I 1st began to carry steel, I had the pleasure of being forced to have a more experienced driver, ride shotgun with me for a fortnite. When “He” was satisfied I had aquired “The Knoledge” I was cleared to go solo.
de 2xQ ( dont forget to wave, if its safe to do so )
double q
i couldn`t agree more with your post and i would go as far as saying that mandatory training should be given ,
ive have done a fair amount of steel whilst out in germany and there are so many variables with steel ,coils tubes, stainless, anlges ect. the worst type being v2a high grade stainless ,terrible for shifting.currently the agency i do work for will only take people with previous steel experience.
here a couple of unusual loads i did a couple of weeks back.
commonrail:
I`m talking about 12 tonne rolled steel coils carried on tauts…from tata trostre
Havent been in there for about 5 years, used to load tilts/euroliners in there, 7-8 ton coils on the side as your picture shows. must secure to a set standard, as you mentioned.
commonrail:
the health and safety bloke at tata (rob) is a good bloke.
when I first started,he was all over me like a rash,but instead of being an [zb]…he was on the back of the trailer showing me how to do it properly
if its the same banksman/load safety advisor, or whatever he choose to call himself, you’re spot on a right funny bloke, not the normal sort off jobsworth arrogant t##t that gets a little bit off power and lets it go to his head.
