Chunkzilla:
KTMrider:
Chunkzilla:
I mean, would you stick him in an artic?!I don’t hold a licence for an artic…
I’m sorry, but from this post, I can’t help but be thankful for that.
My initial response was “thank ■■■■ for that” … 
the nodding donkey:
Chunkzilla:
KTMrider:
Chunkzilla:
I mean, would you stick him in an artic?!I don’t hold a licence for an artic…
I’m sorry, but from this post, I can’t help but be thankful for that.
My initial response was “thank [zb] for that” …
Too right donkey!
This post has highlighted the need to dumb the job down, so that it makes the roads safer! If this gentleman had hit the roads in the old days that some on here fondly remember, he’d never have made it out of the yard. Imagine him with a twin splitter!
blue estate:
Olog Hai:
blue estate:
I may be wrong but isn’t 2.5k revs in a TGS near red line area ?I don’t know, but he says it’s got a 6.9-litre motor in it so I would assume that it is…
My bad he drives a TGL hyped up 7.5t to12t truck
No comparison to a fully load TGS 26t 330 fully loaded as that can take 2 1/2 tons more than his roller skate weighs fully loaded
And why does anyone need a 4-over-4 on a 12-tonner anyway? It’s pretty much a hyped-up 7.5-tonner, a 6-speed would do (you find many of them on 18-tonners). The only application I can think of is if it’s frequently pulling drags so it’s got a combi-weight of 18 to 20 tonnes. Or perhaps it’s an old driving school truck (again, for drags when training for C+E). It’s overkill for a 12-tonner though, especially one that’s rarely anything like fully laden.
(As I’ve said before, MAN 4-over-4 manuals are nice to use. Much better than their old six-speeds, though I presume even these have changed since about 2004. But still overkill for a 12-tonner.)
Olog Hai:
blue estate:
I may be wrong but isn’t 2.5k revs in a TGS near red line area ?I don’t know, but he says it’s got a 6.9-litre motor in it so I would assume that it is…
That kind of capacity is insane, I’m surprised he doesn’t take off.
I mean, it’s almost the same as one bank of cylinders in mine 
A.
IndigoJo:
blue estate:
Olog Hai:
blue estate:
I may be wrong but isn’t 2.5k revs in a TGS near red line area ?I don’t know, but he says it’s got a 6.9-litre motor in it so I would assume that it is…
My bad he drives a TGL hyped up 7.5t to12t truck
And why does anyone need a 4-over-4 on a 12-tonner anyway? It’s pretty much a hyped-up 7.5-tonner, a 6-speed would do (you find many of them on 18-tonners). The only application I can think of is if it’s frequently pulling drags so it’s got a combi-weight of 18 to 20 tonnes. Or perhaps it’s an old driving school truck (again, for drags when training for C+E). It’s overkill for a 12-tonner though, especially one that’s rarely anything like fully laden.
(As I’ve said before, MAN 4-over-4 manuals are nice to use. Much better than their old six-speeds, though I presume even these have changed since about 2004. But still overkill for a 12-tonner.)
it’s an old driving school truck 
I agree it does seem complete overkill, with the torque of that engine in you could make do with 3rd and 7th most of the time, but like you say the gearbox (and engine) make a for truck that is nice to drive, perhaps I’m spoilt.
Chunkzilla:
This post has highlighted the need to dumb the job down, so that it makes the roads safer! If this gentleman had hit the roads in the old days that some on here fondly remember, he’d never have made it out of the yard. Imagine him with a twin splitter!
Ironically, my training school was concerned that I was over cautious on acceleration (Volvo Auto) when I was training back in January
KTMrider:
Ok perhaps i should have done a little bit more research before posting, as I happened to take a pic which included the reg number I’ve just discovered the DAF had a 10.8 litre engine (based on the DVLA website) so obviously it will be a lower revving beast than the 6.9 litre MAN. Doesn’t change the fact that it really seemed to lack acceleration compared to all of the other lorries I’ve driven (which is about a dozen, most of which were 18 tonners and also Autos but also drove a 58 plate 26 tonne MAN Auto that was WAAAAY better). In fact it lacked acceleration to the point that it was potentially dangerous IMHO for merging onto motorways.blue estate:
Olog Hai:
KTMrider:
I should mention that this (64 plate) CF was a hire truck - could the hire company have had the engine and transmission ECUs set like this to limit driver abuse??Could be. It’s probably to mitigate the kind of driver who thinks that spinning the engine round to 2,500rpm before changing up is a good idea.
Yep
how one hasn’t blown box engine clutch or combo of the 3 amazes me
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in truth I probably regularly rev it up to 2400rpm which is only just past the power peak of 2300rpm of that engine and so surely should be perfectly within the safe working limits of the engine, or am I not supposed to ever use all of the available power when accelerating■■?
the nodding donkey:
Before the rodent gets in.It’s pricks like this, that give us all a bad name.
If you feel able to judge me on the basis of this one post then you are the prick. You don’t know me, nor have you seen me drive.
Well, I wont judge your driving as Ive never seen it.
Taking the MAN up to 2400rpm which, as you say, is just over peak power, in order to do a block change, seems fine to me. Not excessive.
Comparing an older 12tonner with a newer 26tonner is a bit of an error perhaps? Newer bigger engines do tend to get more torque in earlier so need less revs.
Seems maybe someone has taken exception to your use of language:
“I’ll bang it into 2nd spin it round to about 2 o’clock, then whizz it round to 2 an half in 4th, flick the switch, straight into 6th, boot it again and now you’re already motoring”.
What youre saying isnt wrong, and would go well on a Saturday evening, but it seems half of em on here have had a sense of humour failure this grey Sunday afternoon! Spose they`ll start attacking me too?
KTMrider:
in truth I probably regularly rev it up to 2400rpm which is only just past the power peak of 2300rpm of that engine and so surely should be perfectly within the safe working limits of the engine, or am I not supposed to ever use all of the available power when accelerating■■?
No, is the simple answer, because you drive a lorry using the engine’s torque and not its power. The green band on the rev counter must at least give you some idea of what you should be doing? It’s where the torque is in the engine speed range, and is ergo the most efficient range to stay within.
Red lining it in every gear when accelerating accomplishes nothing other than to increase fuel consumption significantly and expose the engine to unnecessary wear, with the latter particularly the case if you are hammering it to 2,400rpm before it has reached operating temperature. To be blunt, it is driving like this that has led to automated gearboxes becoming as common as they are.
Caning it to the limiter on a cold engine?
Is your TM standing in his doorway with a shotgun as an incentive to get going?
Are you on a fuel bonus mate?
If so good luck with that one. 
KTMrider:
Jump in the MAN each morning and typically I’ll bang it into 2nd spin it round to about 2 o’clock, then whizz it round to 2 an half in 4th, flick the switch, straight into 6th, boot it again and now you’re already motoring (thanks to a slick fast changing gearbox, a usually lightly loaded 12 tonner and a 6.9 litre engine
Ok, so reading that back I realise I’ve given this impression
Socketset:
Caning it to the limiter on a cold engine?
but as the first few miles are a 30mph village leading to a 40mph, then 50mph rural road I don’t do that
I know what you mean with the cf, trying to accelerate going down a slip road is only slightly faster than freewheeling
Have you played with the gearstalk selector, if you press the thing it might come out of ‘‘eco’’ into normal auto and then press again for manual…well that what the artics with Arsetronic do and i see no reason why the rigid should be different, gearchanges will be infinitely better in normal auto and better again with a good driver selecting gears as required.
Course its entirely possible the thing has been programmed to only operate in ‘‘eco’’ mode and even if you can get it into the other modes it will probably default back to hopeless eco mode after a few mins at best.
I bloody detest the newer Daf’s they’ve completely bollocksed what was a bloody good lorry with the 16 speed manual.
all autos are for lazy numpteys 
. thats why there are all numbed up 
. Manual is best. They is no talent in the job any more. its bad out here you have the idiots in cars. Now aswell its idiots in trucks. What the hell as the world come too.
bradfordlad9999:
all autos are for lazy numpteys
A place of ■■■■■ spelling, for sure.
Can’t be doing with manuals unless it’s a knock over box.
So I took a picture today…
blue estate:
Olog Hai:
KTMrider:
I should mention that this (64 plate) CF was a hire truck - could the hire company have had the engine and transmission ECUs set like this to limit driver abuse??Could be. It’s probably to mitigate the kind of driver who thinks that spinning the engine round to 2,500rpm before changing up is a good idea.
Yep
So, as you can see from the picture 2500rpm is closer to the green zone than to the redline and I will typically only take it to somewhere around that in 4th, briefly (on a warm engine), before changing to 6th. So are you still amazed? Perhaps I should point out that it’s a 5 year old german engine, not a seventies foden
Chunkzilla:
blue estate:
Chunkzilla:
Reading the original post, one can’t help but wonder why auto boxes have become the norm…
I mean, what’s the [zb] rush?!Yep , I’m hourly paid so no rush unless in London
There’s just no point in trying to race round, redlining the thing like this fellow seems to relish doing
as you can see, I’m not redlining it.
Franglais:
Taking the MAN up to 2400rpm which, as you say, is just over peak power, in order to do a block change, seems fine to me. Not excessive.
Comparing an older 12tonner with a newer 26tonner is a bit of an error perhaps? Newer bigger engines do tend to get more torque in earlier so need less revs.
Seems maybe someone has taken exception to your use of language:
“I’ll bang it into 2nd spin it round to about 2 o’clock, then whizz it round to 2 an half in 4th, flick the switch, straight into 6th, boot it again and now you’re already motoring”.
What youre saying isnt wrong, and would go well on a Saturday evening, but it seems half ofem on here have had a sense of humour failure this grey Sunday afternoon! Spose they`ll start attacking me too?
Thankyou Franglais, I wholeheartedly agree with everything you have said.
As you have pointed out, I am going from 4th to 6th, so naturally need to rev it higher than if I was going to 5th (plus this change takes longer than 2nd to 4th due to having to switch into the upper 4 ratios). I make no apology for wanting to use the full acceleration of my vehicle when going from a near standing to start to entering a motorway sliproad for example, as any intelligent driver will realise that is the safest thing to do.
Well argued reply to your critics. No name calling or toys out of the pram?.. You’re out of place here mate!
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Juddian:
Have you played with the gearstalk selector, if you press the thing it might come out of ‘‘eco’’ into normal auto and then press again for manual…well that what the artics with Arsetronic do and i see no reason why the rigid should be different, gearchanges will be infinitely better in normal auto and better again with a good driver selecting gears as required.Course its entirely possible the thing has been programmed to only operate in ‘‘eco’’ mode and even if you can get it into the other modes it will probably default back to hopeless eco mode after a few mins at best.
I bloody detest the newer Daf’s they’ve completely bollocksed what was a bloody good lorry with the 16 speed manual.
Many thanks Juddian for actually answering my question !!!
I only had a day in the DAF(T) was (of course) just thrown the keys and left to get on with it, so didn’t occur to me that it might have different settings (nor would it when i’ve been up since silly o’clock). It is a few weeks now since i drove it, but has been bugging me ever since, 'cos I thought if that’s the (near) future of trucking, it’s not for me - just felt dangerous trying to merge onto Mways / dual carriageways
Franglais:
No name calling or toys out of the pram?.. You’re out of place here mate!Sent from my GT-S7275R using Tapatalk