6 day week

switchlogic:

ROG:
I have never come across anyone doing a drivers regs course with a LGV training provider who says the info was incorrect - unless anyone knows different?

Well on this very post there is a man with incorrect info telling us he was told it on a DCPC. And every other driver I talk to about the DCPC seems to come out with some bad information he was told on a course. Not to mention the many time on here people complain about being given duff info by a trainer. You need to open your eyes a bit more sometimes Rog…

A trainer who works for what dcpc provider? - a LGV training school one?

There are many non-LGV school dcpc providers who have set up to make money out of this and it seems it is those who are spouting false info

Its not beyond the realms of possibility for an LGV trainer to get things wrong, after all you did at one point, but to your credit you corrected that. I don’t care whos getting it wrong, its an expensive shambles that’s badly policed. I just said trainers, I didn’t specifically say what type, you brought up driving school trainers not me

switchlogic:
Its not beyond the realms of possibility for an LGV trainer to get things wrong, after all you did at one point, but to your credit you corrected that.

I was never a dcpc trainer and was not doing any sort of training when the LGV dcpc started and nor have I done any since

If I was to do any sort of training then I would make sure my info was spot on beforehand

Getting things a little awry on a public forum where they can be instantly corrected is very different

I still stand by my original point, the DCPC is badly implemented, taught and policed. Its a shambles.

switchlogic:
I still stand by my original point, the DCPC is badly implemented, taught and policed. Its a shambles.

I’ll go along with that in general

switchlogic:
I still stand by my original point, the DCPC is badly implemented, taught and policed. Its a shambles.

I couldn’t agree more, the object of the DCPC was to raise the skill level of professional drivers, unfortunately in the UK it’s been implemented in such a way that it’s little more than a money making scheme.

Having said that, it has to be said that the EU constructed this nonsense in such a way that on the whole it has to be a waste of money, and will not provide good value for money for either drivers or the road transport industry as a whole.

If the EU bureaucrats wanted to raise the skill level of drivers there are much better, more efficient, and less costly ways of doing it :smiling_imp:

switchlogic:

ROG:
I have never come across anyone doing a drivers regs course with a LGV training provider who says the info was incorrect - unless anyone knows different?

Well on this very post there is a man with incorrect info telling us he was told it on a DCPC. And every other driver I talk to about the DCPC seems to come out with some bad information he was told on a course. Not to mention the many time on here people complain about being given duff info by a trainer. You need to open your eyes a bit more sometimes Rog…

& he works for DHL! The collar & ties will be fuming!

Just keep it simple:

You can work alternate Saturdays if you really must.

You need a 45 hour minimum rest every other weekend.

This can be reduced to a minimum of 24 hours every other weekend but the reduction must be compensated for by the end of the 3rd week.

You can run in every Saturday morning if you must as long as you get your 45’s in

ROG:
I have never come across anyone doing a drivers regs course with a LGV training provider who says the info was incorrect - unless anyone knows different?

was at a course this weekend and was told that working time directive was always on a rolling period where as it can be fixed or rolling 17 or 26 week period as per agreement
Training lol its just turn up and pay your money

Silver_Surfer:

switchlogic:

ROG:
I have never come across anyone doing a drivers regs course with a LGV training provider who says the info was incorrect - unless anyone knows different?

Well on this very post there is a man with incorrect info telling us he was told it on a DCPC. And every other driver I talk to about the DCPC seems to come out with some bad information he was told on a course. Not to mention the many time on here people complain about being given duff info by a trainer. You need to open your eyes a bit more sometimes Rog…

& he works for DHL! The collar & ties will be fuming!

Just keep it simple:

You can work alternate Saturdays if you really must.

You need a 45 hour minimum rest every other weekend.

This can be reduced to a minimum of 24 hours every other weekend but the reduction must be compensated for by the end of the 3rd week.

You can run in every Saturday morning if you must as long as you get your 45’s in

why only Saturday morning ? you can do a full shift every Saturday as long as you get your 45 hrs in …

the cpc is nothing more than a money making scam end of story, any training that you can do the same module 5 time is not worth a toss and is a waste of my valuable time and every one elses…

4aaaa4dd:
the cpc is nothing more than a money making scam end of story, any training that you can do the same module 5 time is not worth a toss and is a waste of my valuable time and every one elses…

Why does this make it not worth a toss?

Clearly anyone who attends the same course five times is either an idiot or else has a reason for doing so. By allowing courses to be repeated it gives more flexibility for those who find a particular topic is a problem. i.e Drivers Hours. Judging by some of the utter crap posted on here there are definitely some need to attend a suitable course more than once and maybe actually pay attention.

If a driver works for a crap employer and is forced to spend his own hard earned cash paying for the DCPC then surely he would want to shop around and get on different courses? And if someone was lucky enough to work for a decent employer who arranges the courses - then that employer would have the brains to do the same - unless they felt the drivers needed to attend a particular course more than once.

A local company has just booked all of their drivers onto a Drivers Hours course for a second time because infringements are still running too high. This time they will be taking a compulsory test AFTER the 7 hour course so the employer can see who does and doesn’t understand what. I reckon that is a sensible use of the rules.

shep532:
If a driver works for a crap employer and is forced to spend his own hard earned cash paying for the DCPC then surely he would want to shop around and get on different courses?

I would have said that economics comes first - if the cheapest way to get it is to do the same £40 course five times then that is what I would do just to get a DQC
Better than spending more unless there is something specific that I wanted to do or learn

Here is the ultimate question for dcpc provider - what do I need?

If I think I need nothing and the dcpc provider/trainer cannot tell me then what?

ROG:

shep532:
If a driver works for a crap employer and is forced to spend his own hard earned cash paying for the DCPC then surely he would want to shop around and get on different courses?

I would have said that economics comes first - if the cheapest way to get it is to do the same £40 course five times then that is what I would do just to get a DQC
Better than spending more unless there is something specific that I wanted to do or learn

Here is the ultimate question for dcpc provider - what do I need?

If I think I need nothing and the dcpc provider/trainer cannot tell me then what?

Good reasoning and a sensible way of looking at it I suppose.

The problem for the DCPC provider is what does the customer want? Unfortunately the answer is difficult because the industry is so diverse. What one company wants - another doesn’t. Clearly the DCPC provider is running a business and therefore profitability (no its not a dirty word) is a governing factor. To develop a course and gain approval costs. JAUPT charge £252 per 7 hour course. If that course can only be delivered to a handful of companies it won’t be viable.

In my own catchment area I have heavy haulage, frozen foods, general haulage, car transporters, shoe factories, skip wagons, plant hire, tyre fitters, timber merchants, builders merchants, scaffolders, builders, engineers, horse people, pallet makers, cash & carries, tippers and the list goes on and on. The mix of vehicles is everything from a 4t van to a full 44t artic. The problem is where is the common ground? Pretty much the answer is Drivers Hours, Vehicle Checks and maybe Load Security. Perhaps fuel efficient driving■■?

Lets look at the tipper drivers. They start at a resonable time, drive around 4 hours, stop for lunch, drive around 4 to 5 hours and go home working only Monday to Friday. Daily rest is not an issue and never will be, weekly rest is 45+ every week, never go on a ferry or double man, WTD is covered. They drive digi tachos and simply put their card in then take it out. get them sat in a classroom for Drivers Hours training and you simply have a group of uninterested switched off blokes with a bad attitude. Try talking about fuel efficient driving - not a blind bit of interest and neither has their boss. Vehicle checks? Apparently the mechanics do that every evening and morning the drivers just drive.

However, each of the above companies will have some bespoke ‘unique to them’ requirement which could be covered for DCPC if only they wanted to put some effort into identifying the needs and paying for the development of the training. Again using the tipper drivers - biggest complaint from the boss is the drivers wreck the easy sheet, tyres and rear doors on the tipper. Clearly those are issues that need concentrating on, finding out the whys and wherefores then putting them right. That could all be done as DCPC. But no - send them on a tacho course - THREE TIMES!

I have a customer running around 200 vehicles at various sites. They have provided DCPC for all of their drivers over the last two years and made sure there is a variety of courses suited to their needs. We have done the run-of-the-mill Drivers Hours and Vehicle Checks followed by some bespoke courses written just for them to cover load security for the loads they carry, health & safety for the sites they deliver to and company policies and procedures. These courses have been paid for by that company including JAUPT fees etc. THIS is how it should be done.

I have another customer who simply booked five dates for his drivers not even asking what the course content was and some courses were repeated. THIS is NOT how it should be done.

Of course we could argue drivers from the first company who may leave and move on won’t have received much training relevant to their next job … going from Timber Haulage to Tesco deliveries is a big difference and there lies the problem. The industry as a whole is extremely diverse. The tipper drivers who sat playing on their phones throughout the drivers hours course find themselves changing jobs and maybe dropped into general haulage where the hours are pushed to the limits and they are now struggling …

The DCPC can never be a one size fits all. Companies need to take it on board and make sure it suits them.

I do 6 shifts every week finishing around 1400 on a Friday and starting at 12.00 on a sunday = 46 hours weekend rest a week.

jessicas dad:
I do 6 shifts every week finishing around 1400 on a Friday and starting at 12.00 on a sunday = 46 hours weekend rest a week.

6 shifts?

jessicas dad:
I do 6 shifts every week finishing around 1400 on a Friday and starting at 12.00 on a sunday = 46 hours weekend rest a week.

me too but start Monday finish Saturday then take 45 off ? no proplems

Lusk:

jessicas dad:
I do 6 shifts every week finishing around 1400 on a Friday and starting at 12.00 on a sunday = 46 hours weekend rest a week.

6 shifts?

Easily done perhaps something like
15 on 11 off
13 on 12 off
etc etc
Just because the law states a minimum length of time off does not mean it cannot be increased

Lusk:

jessicas dad:
I do 6 shifts every week finishing around 1400 on a Friday and starting at 12.00 on a sunday = 46 hours weekend rest a week.

6 shifts?

He could do 10 ‘shifts’ a week if he wanted, providing all weekly and daily rest is taken