thats a tidy flat it must have been a joy to work on without some of the standard fit crap we have these days!
spray flaps,side gaurds,abs,ebs,side marker lamps, to name a few
did it even have spring brake chambers?
moose
Moose:
thats a tidy flat it must have been a joy to work on without some of the standard fit crap we have these days!
spray flaps,side gaurds,abs,ebs,side marker lamps, to name a few
did it even have spring brake chambers?
moose
Yea it did have spring brakes “moose” and ROR axles! They were steady as rocks behind a 4 X 2 tractor,no nodding as you got with a close coupled tandem. Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
What leads you to assume they wern’t full Dave■■? We never run around empty!!! Only a joke!! if some our “straight laced” members don’t appreciate or understand the “craic”!!! Cheers Dennis.
Cheers Trigg
Rodney - Why do you call me Dave, Trig’ - My name’s not Dave, Its Rodney
Trigger - Are you sure
Rodney - Yes, I’ve checked it on my birth certificate and everything, its definitely Rodney.
Trigger - So what’s Dave, a Nickname ‘like
Rodney - No - you’re the only person who calls me Dave, everybody else calls me Rodney - and the reason they call me Rodney, is because Rodney is my name.
Trigger - Well, I shall have to get used to calling you Rodney from now on.
Rodney - Thank you
Trigger - How long are you going to be Baz? Me and Dave haven’t got all day.
Rodney - RODNEY!
Trigger - yeah yeah.
Bewick:
Moose:
thats a tidy flat it must have been a joy to work on without some of the standard fit crap we have these days!
spray flaps,side gaurds,abs,ebs,side marker lamps, to name a few
did it even have spring brake chambers?
mooseYea it did have spring brakes “moose” and ROR axles! They were steady as rocks behind a 4 X 2 tractor,no nodding as you got with a close coupled tandem. Cheers Bewick.
Things are a bit quite to-night!! heres another wide spread for you Moose, McGuffie OHA 301M reversing a Widespread into our trailer park at Crooklands loaded with Workington rail,long before Lawsons were involved!! 
Wheel Nut:
Bewick:
What leads you to assume they wern’t full Dave■■? We never run around empty!!! Only a joke!! if some our “straight laced” members don’t appreciate or understand the “craic”!!! Cheers Dennis.Cheers Trigg
Rodney - Why do you call me Dave, Trig’ - My name’s not Dave, Its Rodney
Trigger - Are you sure
Rodney - Yes, I’ve checked it on my birth certificate and everything, its definitely Rodney.
Trigger - So what’s Dave, a Nickname ‘like
Rodney - No - you’re the only person who calls me Dave, everybody else calls me Rodney - and the reason they call me Rodney, is because Rodney is my name.
Trigger - Well, I shall have to get used to calling you Rodney from now on.
Rodney - Thank you
Trigger - How long are you going to be Baz? Me and Dave haven’t got all day.
Rodney - RODNEY!
Trigger - yeah yeah.
I’ll make a note of your real name against your “handle” Rodder’s Sorry! but there is a lot of Daves on here after all!!! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
Wheel Nut:
Bewick:
What leads you to assume they wern’t full Dave■■? We never run around empty!!! Only a joke!! if some our “straight laced” members don’t appreciate or understand the “craic”!!! Cheers Dennis.Cheers Trigg
Rodney - Why do you call me Dave, Trig’ - My name’s not Dave, Its Rodney
Trigger - Are you sure
Rodney - Yes, I’ve checked it on my birth certificate and everything, its definitely Rodney.
Trigger - So what’s Dave, a Nickname ‘like
Rodney - No - you’re the only person who calls me Dave, everybody else calls me Rodney - and the reason they call me Rodney, is because Rodney is my name.
Trigger - Well, I shall have to get used to calling you Rodney from now on.
Rodney - Thank you
Trigger - How long are you going to be Baz? Me and Dave haven’t got all day.
Rodney - RODNEY!
Trigger - yeah yeah.I’ll make a note of your real name against your “handle” Rodder’s Sorry! but there is a lot of Daves on here after all!!! Cheers Dennis.
Cheers Dave
Malc 
Hiya…i did’nt know where to print this photo but as were talking about weights and lenghts.
i woundered what you think of this tipper…i took the snap last month in France…could we
run at 44 ton in the uk with such a short trailer like this one
there was plenty of scrubing from the tyres when he went round tight corners
sorry to go off the 40ft theme but was stunned to see such short trailers and to show you lads
John
ramone:
Bewick:
This is a shot of one of the trailers we aquired when we bought John McGuffie out in '74 and it was one of 5 widespreads of71/72 vintage the other two later trailers were ordinary close coupled tandems of73 vintage.John stopped buying widespreads once the C & U regs altered.The trailer in the shot is loaded with Workington Pig Iron for the midlands and the trailer next to it is loaded with new 45 gal drums ex Liverpool for Albright and Wilson Whitehaven.
I looked twice then Dennis , i thought those Bewick men must have been good to load empty drums on top of that uneven load , i think i`ve delivered empty drums to Albright and Wilson at Whitehaven for Tanks and Drums,of Bradford but in a box trailer and sometimes step deck curtainsiders,i prefered the curtainsider the box vans were all handball
I can perhaps narrow the date for 40 ft trailer, because I kept a log of trips, I did with my Dad, on the 28July 1968, he had to demonstrate a new 15 meter Carter trailer from Tamworth, now it was 15 meter because it was a car carrier, the extra 3 meters was over the cab, now I know he had to have special permission to move it on the road, the next day we delivered it to Preston Docks for onward shipment to Ireland, on the 2 October 1968 he picked up his new Carrimore trailer from the motor show at Earls Court, so somewhere between those 2 dates is when 40 ft trailers were allowed, my guess would be August 1st
3300John:
Hiya…i did’nt know where to print this photo but as were talking about weights and lenghts.
i woundered what you think of this tipper…i took the snap last month in France…could we
run at 44 ton in the uk with such a short trailer like this one
there was plenty of scrubing from the tyres when he went round tight corners
sorry to go off the 40ft theme but was stunned to see such short trailers and to show you lads
John
I noticed that sort of tackle when I was in France a couple of weeks ago John. Some artic tippers were so short I thought they were 8-wheelers at first.
Greetings,Gentlemen.
Re.the 40ft trailers, in 1969, we at Union Cartage had “G” reg Scania 110 Supers put on the fleet and we had to run up to the CF Dereham Works to pick up the new 40ft spread axle Fridge trailers to use on Continental. This might be a help on the subject of 40fts? Hope so. Regards,900X20.
900X20:
Greetings,Gentlemen.
Re.the 40ft trailers, in 1969, we at Union Cartage had “G” reg Scania 110 Supers put on the fleet and we had to run up to the CF Dereham Works to pick up the new 40ft spread axle Fridge trailers to use on Continental. This might be a help on the subject of 40fts? Hope so. Regards,900X20.
Was there a period where 40’ trailers could only be used on International work. I remember tilts coming in the yard but the company only ran 33’ and one three axle 36’ flat.
Chris Webb:
3300John:
Hiya…i did’nt know where to print this photo but as were talking about weights and lenghts.
i woundered what you think of this tipper…i took the snap last month in France…could we
run at 44 ton in the uk with such a short trailer like this one
there was plenty of scrubing from the tyres when he went round tight corners
sorry to go off the 40ft theme but was stunned to see such short trailers and to show you lads
JohnI noticed that sort of tackle when I was in France a couple of weeks ago John. Some artic tippers were so short I thought they were 8-wheelers at first.
It seems the way they are, but the French axle limits are much higher, they allow 13 tonne drive axles at 40 tonne on 5 axles
According to CVC this month the length limt was increased to 15 metres in 1968 .This allowed 40ft trailers to run at 32ton on 4 axle outfits. The Scammell trunker in the article had 3 axles to allow 32tons gross with the shorter trailers at the time .
Very interesting read that shows what a pigs ear the regulations were prior to this
I’ve been reading through some stuff myself to get my head around the various rules and regs, I would agree with Eric that prior to 1968 32 Ton on a then 33ft trailer could only be done on Five axles, I also came across in a 1966 edition of Comm Motor that it was the C&U Regs of 1966 that made the changes but it seems they did not come into force until Jan 1968 regarding lengths (40ft trailers), however it didn’t make clear that 32 Ton from 1966 could be grossed with Four axles, which might have happened, later 1967 issues of the mag show pics of artics grossing 32Ton with a twin steer tractor so maybe not, this area still seems a bit vague. Here’s an interesting pic below of a spread axle trailer from a July 1968 issue of Comm Motor, the small writing hints at an explanation why spread axles were used and again it seems Europe was wagging the dogs tail !
Wheel Nut:
Chris Webb:
3300John:
Hiya…i did’nt know where to print this photo but as were talking about weights and lenghts.
i woundered what you think of this tipper…i took the snap last month in France…could we
run at 44 ton in the uk with such a short trailer like this one
there was plenty of scrubing from the tyres when he went round tight corners
sorry to go off the 40ft theme but was stunned to see such short trailers and to show you lads
JohnI noticed that sort of tackle when I was in France a couple of weeks ago John. Some artic tippers were so short I thought they were 8-wheelers at first.
It seems the way they are, but the French axle limits are much higher, they allow 13 tonne drive axles at 40 tonne on 5 axles
surely when on top weight it cant be any good on the tyres and clutch with the drag !! 
,unless it stretches out lik a slider ■■
some of these type of trailers do streach out well the ones we use in this country do
i had a drop and go crane trailer that closed up that tight and it would run at 36t gross and 44t open
as for drag and tyre wear it was never much of a problem but they are open to abuse if the site was tight you could lift the blocks off the back onto the front then close the trailer up
This is a shot of one of our early York SL34 40 footers probably no 7 or 8 standing at the Mill in Beetham the date would be around early '72 and this trailer was only operated at 30 ton GVW at the time coupled to the Atki Borderers we were running.
The 1964 C & U Regs. (on the statute book from late 1965) permitted an increase in gross weights to 32 tons (imperial weight) on 4 axles for an articulated unit and semi-trailer combination. However, this was governed by unit wheelbase, overall combination length and axle spacing. The maximum semi-trailer length possible to meet the new regs. was 33 ft. but to achieve 32 tons gross required the trailer bogie to be at the extremity of the trailer, making this arrangement imprctical for most operators. The majority of operators opted for 30 tons gross on 4 axles with a manageable axle spacing on the trailer. Other options to get 32 tons gross were a 33 ft tri-axle trailer on single wheels, or a three axle tractor unit and tandem axle trailer. Whilst a few 32-ton gross rated tractor units entered service in late 1965 (C registration suffix) it was not until 1966 that the new weight limits became common sights on the roads. A revision of the C & U Regs in 1968 changed the axle spacing dimensions and permitted 40 ft trailers to accomodate ISO containers which were standardised at 20 and 40 ft sizes.
I started for Mr Thompson in Moretonhampstead, Devon, in late 69 or early 70 and the fleet were all 33 footers - perfect for a handball load of Ambrosia Rice Pudding - with just 2 of the new naughty 40 footers. Mr T was very carefull who got let to take these monsters out of the yard and I shall always remember the first time I got allowed to take one to Lifton, which meant going through the village of Moretonhampstead.
They were ever so long weren’t they? That extra 7 foot seemed to become 200 feet all of a sudden!
David
Well explained Gingerfold, it seems to tie in with what bits I recall and what I’ve just read up about to clear the cobwebs and get the facts together in my head, its surprising how time warps memory. I knew for definate my old mans C reg Seddon was plated for 32 Ton as previously his mate had got in quick and grabbed a 30 Ton new motor, when Dad found out he done his nut as he was supposed to get the next new one, the Gaffer said he would definately get the next one and when the new 32 Tonner turned up a few weeks later my Dads mate was gutted! I also recall the first 40 Ft trailers he ran, I was on final School hoiliday and waiting to start work in the September so spent most of the holidays with dad and the amount of places he delivered to that said they hadn’t seen a lorry that big before and doubted he would get it anywhere near the loading/tipping areas, they just hadn’t seen vehicles nearly 50ft long before. Great days. Franky.
