Winseer:
Pray such people never end up in the sticky situation that a third-party fatal collision is then. That AIM driver has been charged on 8 accounts of causing death by dangerous driving - should be a wake-up call to us ALL - even if we don’t drink. Why? - Because he wasn’t bloody driving at the moment of impact! “Poor Judgement” and “catastrophic workplace choices” could happen to many a so-called Driving god if you think about it.
The scary bit is the idea that an innocent driver could find themselves convicted of dangerous driving.On the basis of a self styled ‘expert’ witness telling a court that any of the similar types of examples to those shown in the videos could/should have been ‘saved’ by a competent driver.
Dr Damon:
Whatever you say fella. I mean anyone who can concentrate 100% on his driving whilst multi tasking must able to mind read 100% as well.
Multi tasking is where its at, saves hell and all time, tossing a pancake on shrove tuesday whilst negotiating a roundabout without taking anyone out takes practice you know. Getting them stuck to the head lining (or worse, on the floor)is no laughing matter…its down to an art now though you’ll no doubt be glad to know…
Dr Damon:
For once I quite agree with most of your post.Please though can you point out where I said I could control a blow out■■?
All I said was that tyre technology has vastly improved and that out of control blow outs are less likely these days then you went off on one as you frequently seem to do.
To be fair you clearly stated that a steer axle blow out is ‘‘very unlikely to send you through the central reservation’’.To which I replied with numerous examples of video evidence which prove the opposite,in being at least as likely,if not more,as not.In addition to describing/explaining the physics that causes the problem.That video evidence and description of the physics involved being as relevant today as 1950.
We can do all the training we want and any training is good but at the end of the day every situation is different and every person will react different
Experience will play a big part in the out come and thats just my opinion, i belive if you know how to handle it through having experience it will help, call it what you want but it counts for a lot in situations like this
Because I know more about trucks and transport than you and a few others on here.
Shall we have a little competition?
Youre NOT a truck driver and have absolutely no idea re trucks OR transport. Would imagine the very little knowledge you may have comes from google…
This. A milllion times over.
His/the account holders posts after AndrewG’s post say so much as usual, toys out the pram, like his reaction to Eagers popcorn post response to his first post when he first crawled out even after claiming to have been reading the forum for a while.
Sorry petal, but if you had actually been reading this forum for a while you should expect Mr Beaver to post a picture rather than losing your ■■■■ straight away and then flouncing off when no one wanted to tickle your balls and ask you how come you’re so brilliant.
Completely agree. Never been a driver, no way.
Insults any and all when they challenge,tries to appear intellectually superior but comes off as ignorant and petulant.
Plenty of posters on here agree and disagree on many things but get on.
I utterly disagree with Robs view on unions in the modern era however I have great respect for his views and opinions as it’s clear it comes from honesty and experience, he and others give as much as they take. I’m sure he thinks I’m a ■■■■ most of the time when it comes to unions.
I struggle with carryfast, however he’s never really that rude so fair play. Same with AndrewG, who I utterly agree with this time, his view point in things at times is different to mine but he is clearly experienced so just read his views and respect them.
Same goes for many others, once you’ve visited here for a while, or posted for a while you get to grips with how people are, except for Dipper, you never want to get to grips with Dipper unless you have a tanker full of lube…
This Dr Damon muppet stands out as a pathetic troll for the usual reasons, all claims with no evidence, insults the industry and all who work in it and all the time trying to appear intellectual. Never posted anything other than pathetic little incendiary leading comments designed to provoke.
Taking on fatherhood in his fifties must be making him tired and emotional, to be fair I’m guessing at that, but he’s been driving trucks since the mid sixties and has a 19 year old hgv driving daughter.
My guess is the same as AndrewG, google is his friend and only friend, well, apart from the alter ego acccounts that will be along to support him at the last minute…
Always makes me laugh when posters come on to this forum shouting how great they are at everything without realising that due to the very nature of this being a truckers forum someone somewhere will have actually done whatever it is you are bullshittin. about…
Dr Damon:
Carryfast my only comment to you is you may benefit from a bit of psychiatry.
There’s nothing as dangerous on the roads as someone with too much confidence and an over inflated sense of their own abilities.In the case of tyre failures it’s more about trying to avoid them by regular preventative replacement using the best not the cheapest and constant condition checks.Rather than thinking that you can control a steer axle blow out at motor way speeds.
Who are you and what have you done with Carryfast??
I actually find him quite amusing especially when he goes off on a completely different tangent! If he could read and understand English he may do better. (I think ) lol.
You read my comment wrong. I don’t have a problem with Carryfast and I do agree with him.
Gembo:
The truck looks like a pile of s***. Certainly not one of the major players this tgime!
Well considering the truck appears to be a horse box I suspect it was being driven by a private individual.
Of what relevance is that?
Big relevance. A private owner is less likely in my opinion to carry out the spot checks we do every time we set off in the morning. Such an individual may not have the same level of skill driving said large vehicle as many of us on here do. These factors along with many more may of resulted in the accident.
I don’t think nearly enough has been ever done to reduce the chance of cross-overs. Armco isn’t really up to the job quite frankly and as for those post n wire motorcyclist shredders…
In other countries I’ve seen heavy steel barricades around 2m high in Italy to 3m high concrete walls in California and elsewhere.
Here in the UK on the A33 south of Reading on a busy dual there is…nothing at all (except for some nice flat grass).
Slowly we are starting to get with the programme…concrete is appearing on refurbs and new builds but this should have been put in place from the get go.
Socketset:
I think the truck was a racecar transporter - I’ve seen some pics which clearly show tools of some sort and a mechanics roll-cab in a side door.
Thank you
I did say before that it didn’t look like a horsebox to me but some people just like writing about stuff they know nothing about…
I may know SFA about driving but I know far too much about blinking horseboxes
Conor:
From my experience of blowouts on just about every single hub including both front ones it shouldn’t be causing accidents like this. The two front axle ones I’ve had have resulted in nothing more than having to let off the accelerator and steer over to the hard shoulder, even when with one of the events I was pulling a milk tanker.
just as well you never crashed it then as there wouldnt have been any point in crying over it.
Conor:
From my experience of blowouts on just about every single hub including both front ones it shouldn’t be causing accidents like this. The two front axle ones I’ve had have resulted in nothing more than having to let off the accelerator and steer over to the hard shoulder, even when with one of the events I was pulling a milk tanker.
just as well you never crashed it then as there wouldnt have been any point in crying over it.
I’m sure the experience left a sour taste in his mouth.
I am not going to dispute anyone’s account of handling front wheel blowouts as I guess the experience is going to be different for every vehicle / load/ road condition but it happened to me and I think I would describe it as ranking not far below brake failure in terms of severity, not that I have ever suffered brake failure fortunately.
I was actually only driving an, empty, flatbed puddlejumper (10t, I assume that still only qualifies as a puddlejumper ) with 3.5t plant trailer loaded with a forklift, in the second or third lane of four or five ( to be honest I cannot remember) on the M25 with window open when there was a massive bang and I felt as if I had dropped 4’ and I just could not steer the truck which lurched severely and proceeded to instantly head across the, fortunately empty, right hand lanes towards the central reserve crash barrier although it was also slowing down very quickly, without needing to brake and I just missed the barrier and pretty well came to a halt in the outside lane. I remember feeling that if I braked I was either going to make things worse or end up with a following vehicle ramming me. To be honest I thought the suspension on the drivers side had collapsed rather than a blowout until I looked down through the door window and saw the rim running on the tarmac
Fortunately again for me, all the lanes behind were occupied at that moment by extremely competent, aware drivers, (both truck and car ) who all managed to slow down and stop whilst I slowly managed to nurse the truck and trailer over to the hard shoulder. Rang HA people, who despite all the stick they get on here, were extremely helpful by coming round once to check I was OK, did a rolling block to clear the tyre debris, let me move to a slightly wide section of hardshoulder further on, one of them stayed with me whilst the other went round again and parked his vehicle a couple of hundred metres behind and they signalled the traffic to move into lane 2 whilst I changed the wheel.
That was only a 17.5" tyre blowing out, on an unladen 30’ long puddlejumper , what it would be like for a 22.5" wheel with 50’ and 44t behind you I cannot imagine.
As a last note we came to the conclusion that, although the tyres were premium brand bought new, uncut, not remoulds with plenty of tread, the sidewalls were cracking and deteriorating enough after 5 years of low mileage use and long periods of standing to possibly have caused the blowout (a section of side appeared to have completely blown out). We now make a point of checking more often / more thoroughly for sidewall cracks and change them irrespective of the amount of tread left.
I just felt that day that I had had an extremely lucky escape, so got off at the next junction and, to be honest, had a long lie down
(Ironically enough after I got off the motorway, the first layby I came to was on the opposite side of the fence to a VOSA stopping place, I do not travel down that way very often and this was a long time ago so cannot say exactly where that was, near to a vineyard ?)
manski:
As a last note we came to the conclusion that, although the tyres were premium brand bought new, uncut, not remoulds with plenty of tread, the sidewalls were cracking and deteriorating enough after 5 years of low mileage use and long periods of standing to possibly have caused the blowout (a section of side appeared to have completely blown out). We now make a point of checking more often / more thoroughly for sidewall cracks and change them irrespective of the amount of tread left.
This is what happens to caravan tyres, especially those left out in the sun. You can do a visual inspection and the tyre looks fine, with plenty of tread and no visible damage. Then, when you get it up to 60 on a motorway, BANG!!. Caravan and contents spread over three lanes.
Dr Damon:
Because I know more about trucks and transport than you and a few others on here.
Shall we have a little competition?
Don’t bother with the “little competition,” fella. It’s not needed because you’ve embarrassed yourself enough already. I would wager that you don’t actually know as much as you think you do, because when you were challenged on your great experience and huge amount of knowledge about automated trucks, you never came back with anything to prove it.
Forgive me if I doubt you, but I believe that you are a bumbling fool who knows only what it printed in Commical Motor and Trucking magazines.
Santa:
This is what happens to caravan tyres, especially those left out in the sun. You can do a visual inspection and the tyre looks fine, with plenty of tread and no visible damage. Then, when you get it up to 60 on a motorway, BANG!!. Caravan and contents spread over three lanes.
Totally agree with you. We have now probably gone too far the other way in changing tyres possibly too early, but I think I would rather that expense and know we have done as much as we can.
Santa:
This is what happens to caravan tyres, especially those left out in the sun. You can do a visual inspection and the tyre looks fine, with plenty of tread and no visible damage. Then, when you get it up to 60 on a motorway, BANG!!. Caravan and contents spread over three lanes.
Totally agree with you. We have now probably gone too far the other way in changing tyres possibly too early, but I think I would rather that expense and know we have done as much as we can.
I’ve worked for several race teams over the years and the 5 year mark seems to be right for sidewalks looking a bit shabby, I normally get them changed at that point often get a bit of disagreement from the team boss, but telling them how much a callout costs abroad and how long it takes, with the risk of not getting to the circuit on time and the Agro it causes, does normally change thier mind.
Socketset:
I think the truck was a racecar transporter - I’ve seen some pics which clearly show tools of some sort and a mechanics roll-cab in a side door.
Thank you
I did say before that it didn’t look like a horsebox to me but some people just like writing about stuff they know nothing about…
I may know SFA about driving but I know far too much about blinking horseboxes
The first angle I saw I thought it might be a horsebox, seen plenty of home built ones using old box vans as a starting point, I did one myself 20+ years on a Merc 814 chassis with box body, it was the tail lift the made think it wasn’t a horsebox, but plenty of horseboxes and racecar transporters can look similar from certain angles, after all they all carry horses, got about 1400 on mine today.
Just look at how dodgy is it, full of rust, loaded up with junk. It wasn’t in commercial transit. It’s very likely a privately owned old trashcan.
Why it is important that it wasn’t in commercial transit?
If you own a piece of junk like that, then you :
-not have to have an operators license
-not mandated to carry out vehicle check in every 6 weeks
-not required to have 5000 quid/vehicle in your bank account
-not required to hire professional mechanics,and transport managers to look after the vehicle
Same as the stranded caravans,and boat trailers pulled by a car on weekends. No one is looking after them! After beign parked up for 8 months, they just hook it up,and they’re on the road.Under inflated tyres, not secured load, etc.
Would like to see that does it even have road tax paid and MOT’d?
) who all managed to slow down and stop whilst I slowly managed to nurse the truck and trailer over to the hard shoulder. Rang HA people, who despite all the stick they get on here, were extremely helpful by coming round once to check I was OK, did a rolling block to clear the tyre debris, let me move to a slightly wide section of hardshoulder further on, one of them stayed with me whilst the other went round again and parked his vehicle a couple of hundred metres behind and they signalled the traffic to move into lane 2 whilst I changed the wheel.