The lorry was sat on a low loader, and there are still screens up around the site. From what I could see it was an old Merc I think but the cab was a mess so I could be wrong. it was halfway up that hill so speed couldn’t be a factor, and the marks he left by veering to the right are short and sharp. It looks like an old removal van with living quarters in it from first glance.
Scary times. Even though this obviously wasn’t a haulier operated lorry, it is yet another incident involving trucks that will be big news.
On the subject of blowouts and tyres and daily checks…
Week before last I phoned a driver to say his truck was in for inspection at the weekend. He replied that a front tyre ‘needs looking at’, as it has a bolt in it. I asked why he was driving it in that condition, and he said it had been like it all week. I got it changed there and then. Sure enough when his daily checks sheet came in at the end of the week, he had marked down everyday ‘bolt in tyre!’
This a British driver, mid forties, bags of experience, someone I would have said up to that point was a good bloke.
Gembo:
The truck looks like a pile of s***. Certainly not one of the major players this tgime!
Well considering the truck appears to be a horse box I suspect it was being driven by a private individual.
Of what relevance is that?
I thought that would be obvious.
The haulage industry has had a bad press of late, with one serious accident involving a drink driver and another alleged of possiblly travelling too close and not watching his work.
This appears to be a private owned truck more than likely not operated by a haulage firm or owner operator…on the surface.
So the same relavance as if the bus and coach industry’s reputation was on the line for whatever reason, and an old Bedford bus owned by a new age traveller on his way to Stonehenge came a massive cropper.
Plenty of comments about “saving” blowouts in an artic, not seen anyone address the fact this was a rigid.
In an artic you have less weight over the axle, more axles to balance, weight further back and a pivot point to help cope with the drop when it blows.
That rigid had 2 axles, I’m sure the experts here can figure out the vast difference in handling, loaded or not, good condition or not…
Gembo:
The truck looks like a pile of s***. Certainly not one of the major players this tgime!
Well considering the truck appears to be a horse box I suspect it was being driven by a private individual.
Of what relevance is that?
I thought that would be obvious.
The haulage industry has had a bad press of late, with one serious accident involving a drink driver and another alleged of possiblly travelling too close and not watching his work.
This appears to be a private owned truck more than likely not operated by a haulage firm or owner operator…on the surface.
So the same relavance as if the bus and coach industry’s reputation was on the line for whatever reason, and an old Bedford bus owned by a new age traveller on his way to Stonehenge came a massive cropper.
No not obvious at all unless of course you speculate all about a driver you know absolutely nothing about.
Norfolkinclue1:
Plenty of comments about “saving” blowouts in an artic, not seen anyone address the fact this was a rigid.
In an artic you have less weight over the axle, more axles to balance, weight further back and a pivot point to help cope with the drop when it blows.
That rigid had 2 axles, I’m sure the experts here can figure out the vast difference in handling, loaded or not, good condition or not…
Thing is, there will be a hell of a lot of truck drivers out there who will have no idea how to deal with a front axle blow out when it happens because they have have never been taught how to react, any other axle is a non event, but steering axle is likely to end in disaster for the uneducated driver concerned.
In 30 years I have never seen or heard any instructions on how to deal with a steer axle blowout on a truck, so the average driver will probably panic do the wrong thing and lose total control of their truck.
Plenty of evidence out there of drivers going into a panic when something unexpected happens or the driver screws up which results in third parties ending up being injured or killed.
This is a good video showing how to recover from a steering axle blowout without losing control, problem is everyone is flat out on the limiter leaving no room to recover from it.
I thought that would be obvious.
The haulage industry has had a bad press of late, with one serious accident involving a drink driver and another alleged of possiblly travelling too close and not watching his work.
This appears to be a private owned truck more than likely not operated by a haulage firm or owner operator…on the surface.
So the same relavance as if the bus and coach industry’s reputation was on the line for whatever reason, and an old Bedford bus owned by a new age traveller on his way to Stonehenge came a massive cropper.
No not obvious at all unless of course you speculate all about a driver you know absolutely nothing about.
Im not sure there trying to insult the driver, i think its more a case of the lorry not being maintained at all or very little maintenance, no walk round checks or if the tyres knackered it will be a case of, well its parked for 4months of the year, we will get a few more miles out of that. Its looking to be more like a race car transporter from what i seen, which if it is, the amateur racers transporters are borderline legal and mainly bodged together. Not all of them, may i clear up because there are a few decent ones, but its like the horse boxes, most are rotted out heaps of ■■■■, but there are a few decent ones.
The more I look at the picture of the lorry, the more familiar it seems to get… looks like one of those old ‘event catering’ vans I often see around the Bristol area on the M4… they’ve got some artics that really look like they should’ve been scrapped years ago…day cab units, trailers that look like mobile homes stuck on a chassis
How can anybody comment on the condition of the vehicle?
Yeah sure, it’s not a 2017 model, but there are plenty of older trucks around in perfect mechanical condition, even if the body is a little tatty.
My company’s newest truck is 2009, it’s oldest is 1998 and in daily use.
They are as mechanically sound as any modern truck on the road.
We have no idea why this happened, it could literally be anything from an animal in the road to a blowout, to a medical episode.
Olog are you upset with what I have to say?
Why not pick on the ones that seem to know everything about this accident even although they know nothing.
109 LWB sums things up very well.
You got anything worth bringing to the table today Olog?
Dr Damon:
No not obvious at all unless of course you speculate all about a driver you know absolutely nothing about.
Of course it’s speculation, unless of course you or me know the driver personally, or we are on the actual site accident investigation specialists,.
Well I aint but I can’t speak for you.
That is what this thread is all about is it not, that is what a forum is for, opinion, discussion and…Speculation.
So what is wrong with that exactly ■■
If you don’t like what you read, then don’t bother coming on,. as you appear reluctant to give your views on it.
109LWB:
How can anybody comment on the condition of the vehicle?
Yeah sure, it’s not a 2017 model, but there are plenty of older trucks around in perfect mechanical condition, even if the body is a little tatty.
My company’s newest truck is 2009, it’s oldest is 1998 and in daily use.
They are as mechanically sound as any modern truck on the road.
We have no idea why this happened, it could literally be anything from an animal in the road to a blowout, to a medical episode.
Agree fully with the first part, however it has been widely reported now as a blowout. Including from 3 very unfortunate chaps who were following, they got out and ran to the scene to give help to, it seems, the family of 3 seriously injured survivors who’s dad/male driver was a fatality.
The only glimmer I can take from reading about it is the coverage about the way the public reacted to this one, plenty trying to help at the scene and each other in the trapped traffic, makes a change from people taking to twitter to moan about the precious delays while others die, although I’m sure one of you can find tweet somewhere…
Couple of quick questions for the Dr Damon account…
1: Why are you still here
2: Why are we all still waiting for all your evidence to back your claims when you posted all your trolling crap in the other accident thread, where is it?
3: If you have such a problem with anyone speculating and generally chatting about this crash and you would prefer to deal in facts ( irony ) then why don’t you just disappear until we’ve had the police report done, the coroners reports done, any charges bought and any ensuing legal proceedings completed, should be a good few months away from your pseudo intellectual garbage.
That way all of us grown ups can carry on chatting about it like normal people do when an event happens that touches our lives because we, unlike yourself, are professional drivers.
You really are an amateur when it comes to trolling, way to obvious. Your claims and lies got boring very quickly…
109LWB:
How can anybody comment on the condition of the vehicle?
Yeah sure, it’s not a 2017 model, but there are plenty of older trucks around in perfect mechanical condition, even if the body is a little tatty.
My company’s newest truck is 2009, it’s oldest is 1998 and in daily use.
They are as mechanically sound as any modern truck on the road.
We have no idea why this happened, it could literally be anything from an animal in the road to a blowout, to a medical episode.
Agree fully with the first part, however it has been widely reported now as a blowout. Including from 3 very unfortunate chaps who were following, they got out and ran to the scene to give help to, it seems, the family of 3 seriously injured survivors who’s dad/male driver was a fatality.
The only glimmer I can take from reading about it is the coverage about the way the public reacted to this one, plenty trying to help at the scene and each other in the trapped traffic, makes a change from people taking to twitter to moan about the precious delays while others die, although I’m sure one of you can find tweet somewhere…
Couple of quick questions for the Dr Damon account…
1: Why are you still here
2: Why are we all still waiting for all your evidence to back your claims when you posted all your trolling crap in the other accident thread, where is it?
3: If you have such a problem with anyone speculating and generally chatting about this crash and you would prefer to deal in facts ( irony ) then why don’t you just disappear until we’ve had the police report done, the coroners reports done, any charges bought and any ensuing legal proceedings completed, should be a good few months away from your pseudo intellectual garbage.
That way all of us grown ups can carry on chatting about it like normal people do when an event happens that touches our lives because we, unlike yourself, are professional drivers.
You really are an amateur when it comes to trolling, way to obvious. Your claims and lies got boring very quickly…
109LWB:
How can anybody comment on the condition of the vehicle?
Yeah sure, it’s not a 2017 model, but there are plenty of older trucks around in perfect mechanical condition, even if the body is a little tatty.
My company’s newest truck is 2009, it’s oldest is 1998 and in daily use.
They are as mechanically sound as any modern truck on the road.
We have no idea why this happened, it could literally be anything from an animal in the road to a blowout, to a medical episode.
Agree fully with the first part, however it has been widely reported now as a blowout. Including from 3 very unfortunate chaps who were following, they got out and ran to the scene to give help to, it seems, the family of 3 seriously injured survivors who’s dad/male driver was a fatality.
The only glimmer I can take from reading about it is the coverage about the way the public reacted to this one, plenty trying to help at the scene and each other in the trapped traffic, makes a change from people taking to twitter to moan about the precious delays while others die, although I’m sure one of you can find tweet somewhere…
Couple of quick questions for the Dr Damon account…
1: Why are you still here
2: Why are we all still waiting for all your evidence to back your claims when you posted all your trolling crap in the other accident thread, where is it?
3: If you have such a problem with anyone speculating and generally chatting about this crash and you would prefer to deal in facts ( irony ) then why don’t you just disappear until we’ve had the police report done, the coroners reports done, any charges bought and any ensuing legal proceedings completed, should be a good few months away from your pseudo intellectual garbage.
That way all of us grown ups can carry on chatting about it like normal people do when an event happens that touches our lives because we, unlike yourself, are professional drivers.
You really are an amateur when it comes to trolling, way to obvious. Your claims and lies got boring very quickly…
109LWB:
How can anybody comment on the condition of the vehicle?
Yeah sure, it’s not a 2017 model, but there are plenty of older trucks around in perfect mechanical condition, even if the body is a little tatty.
My company’s newest truck is 2009, it’s oldest is 1998 and in daily use.
They are as mechanically sound as any modern truck on the road.
We have no idea why this happened, it could literally be anything from an animal in the road to a blowout, to a medical episode.
Agree fully with the first part, however it has been widely reported now as a blowout. Including from 3 very unfortunate chaps who were following, they got out and ran to the scene to give help to, it seems, the family of 3 seriously injured survivors who’s dad/male driver was a fatality.
The only glimmer I can take from reading about it is the coverage about the way the public reacted to this one, plenty trying to help at the scene and each other in the trapped traffic, makes a change from people taking to twitter to moan about the precious delays while others die, although I’m sure one of you can find tweet somewhere…
Couple of quick questions for the Dr Damon account…
1: Why are you still here
2: Why are we all still waiting for all your evidence to back your claims when you posted all your trolling crap in the other accident thread, where is it?
3: If you have such a problem with anyone speculating and generally chatting about this crash and you would prefer to deal in facts ( irony ) then why don’t you just disappear until we’ve had the police report done, the coroners reports done, any charges bought and any ensuing legal proceedings completed, should be a good few months away from your pseudo intellectual garbage.
That way all of us grown ups can carry on chatting about it like normal people do when an event happens that touches our lives because we, unlike yourself, are professional drivers.
You really are an amateur when it comes to trolling, way to obvious. Your claims and lies got boring very quickly…
I will answer your first question.
Because I know more about trucks and transport than you and a few others on here.
109LWB:
How can anybody comment on the condition of the vehicle?
Yeah sure, it’s not a 2017 model, but there are plenty of older trucks around in perfect mechanical condition, even if the body is a little tatty.
My company’s newest truck is 2009, it’s oldest is 1998 and in daily use.
They are as mechanically sound as any modern truck on the road.
We have no idea why this happened, it could literally be anything from an animal in the road to a blowout, to a medical episode.
Agree fully with the first part, however it has been widely reported now as a blowout. Including from 3 very unfortunate chaps who were following, they got out and ran to the scene to give help to, it seems, the family of 3 seriously injured survivors who’s dad/male driver was a fatality.
The only glimmer I can take from reading about it is the coverage about the way the public reacted to this one, plenty trying to help at the scene and each other in the trapped traffic, makes a change from people taking to twitter to moan about the precious delays while others die, although I’m sure one of you can find tweet somewhere…
Couple of quick questions for the Dr Damon account…
1: Why are you still here
2: Why are we all still waiting for all your evidence to back your claims when you posted all your trolling crap in the other accident thread, where is it?
3: If you have such a problem with anyone speculating and generally chatting about this crash and you would prefer to deal in facts ( irony ) then why don’t you just disappear until we’ve had the police report done, the coroners reports done, any charges bought and any ensuing legal proceedings completed, should be a good few months away from your pseudo intellectual garbage.
That way all of us grown ups can carry on chatting about it like normal people do when an event happens that touches our lives because we, unlike yourself, are professional drivers.
You really are an amateur when it comes to trolling, way to obvious. Your claims and lies got boring very quickly…
I will answer your first question.
Because I know more about trucks and transport than you and a few others on here.
Shall we have a little competition?
That’s one hell of a bold (unsubstantiated) statement.
Don’t think any of us could be arsed mate tbh.
109LWB:
How can anybody comment on the condition of the vehicle?
Yeah sure, it’s not a 2017 model, but there are plenty of older trucks around in perfect mechanical condition, even if the body is a little tatty.
My company’s newest truck is 2009, it’s oldest is 1998 and in daily use.
They are as mechanically sound as any modern truck on the road.
We have no idea why this happened, it could literally be anything from an animal in the road to a blowout, to a medical episode.
Agree fully with the first part, however it has been widely reported now as a blowout. Including from 3 very unfortunate chaps who were following, they got out and ran to the scene to give help to, it seems, the family of 3 seriously injured survivors who’s dad/male driver was a fatality.
The only glimmer I can take from reading about it is the coverage about the way the public reacted to this one, plenty trying to help at the scene and each other in the trapped traffic, makes a change from people taking to twitter to moan about the precious delays while others die, although I’m sure one of you can find tweet somewhere…
Couple of quick questions for the Dr Damon account…
1: Why are you still here
2: Why are we all still waiting for all your evidence to back your claims when you posted all your trolling crap in the other accident thread, where is it?
3: If you have such a problem with anyone speculating and generally chatting about this crash and you would prefer to deal in facts ( irony ) then why don’t you just disappear until we’ve had the police report done, the coroners reports done, any charges bought and any ensuing legal proceedings completed, should be a good few months away from your pseudo intellectual garbage.
That way all of us grown ups can carry on chatting about it like normal people do when an event happens that touches our lives because we, unlike yourself, are professional drivers.
You really are an amateur when it comes to trolling, way to obvious. Your claims and lies got boring very quickly…
I will answer your first question.
Because I know more about trucks and transport than you and a few others on here.
Shall we have a little competition?
You know nothing about me or others on here, you really shouldn’t speculate you know. There will be drivers on here who were behind the wheel before your dad handed the cash over…
As for a competition… google is your friend, yet another one who lays down ridiculous challenges. You claimed that before but failed to back it up, still waiting.
Actrosman:
The more I look at the picture of the lorry, the more familiar it seems to get… looks like one of those old ‘event catering’ vans I often see around the Bristol area on the M4… they’ve got some artics that really look like they should’ve been scrapped years ago…day cab units, trailers that look like mobile homes stuck on a chassis
Looking at the photos on the dailymail website, one shot shows the side locker and door open, red toolboxes have fallen out and there’s the front end of a car visible, must have been someone on their way to a race or a trackday.
109LWB:
How can anybody comment on the condition of the vehicle?
Yeah sure, it’s not a 2017 model, but there are plenty of older trucks around in perfect mechanical condition, even if the body is a little tatty.
My company’s newest truck is 2009, it’s oldest is 1998 and in daily use.
They are as mechanically sound as any modern truck on the road.
We have no idea why this happened, it could literally be anything from an animal in the road to a blowout, to a medical episode.
Agree fully with the first part, however it has been widely reported now as a blowout. Including from 3 very unfortunate chaps who were following, they got out and ran to the scene to give help to, it seems, the family of 3 seriously injured survivors who’s dad/male driver was a fatality.
The only glimmer I can take from reading about it is the coverage about the way the public reacted to this one, plenty trying to help at the scene and each other in the trapped traffic, makes a change from people taking to twitter to moan about the precious delays while others die, although I’m sure one of you can find tweet somewhere…
Couple of quick questions for the Dr Damon account…
1: Why are you still here
2: Why are we all still waiting for all your evidence to back your claims when you posted all your trolling crap in the other accident thread, where is it?
3: If you have such a problem with anyone speculating and generally chatting about this crash and you would prefer to deal in facts ( irony ) then why don’t you just disappear until we’ve had the police report done, the coroners reports done, any charges bought and any ensuing legal proceedings completed, should be a good few months away from your pseudo intellectual garbage.
That way all of us grown ups can carry on chatting about it like normal people do when an event happens that touches our lives because we, unlike yourself, are professional drivers.
You really are an amateur when it comes to trolling, way to obvious. Your claims and lies got boring very quickly…
I will answer your first question.
Because I know more about trucks and transport than you and a few others on here.
Shall we have a little competition?
You know nothing about me or others on here, you really shouldn’t speculate you know. There will be drivers on here who were behind the wheel before your dad handed the cash over…
As for a competition… google is your friend, yet another one who lays down ridiculous challenges. You claimed that before but failed to back it up, still waiting.
How about answering the other two…
I did not say I knew anything about you or others on here.
I said I know more about trucks and transport.
I have been driving trucks since the mid sixties off and on so again your speculation is way out.
I have some business to attend to now but if you remind me what I did not answer I will do my best to help later.
