25000 to 33000 truck drivers needed in Canada

Big Jon’s dad:

mickyblue:

Carryfast:

Big Jon’s dad:

flat to the mat:
Spot on ? no way matey :unamused: Haven’t locked the house since the day we moved in Sept 2006 , never lock our vehicles , people look you in the face and say good morning whilst holding open the door , no anti social behavior around here , kids come out of school and are bright happy and pleasant company , the media are positive , success is celebrated rather than mocked or frowned upon ,there are seldom any traffic issues other than weather related , oh and you can walk around downtown on the weekends without being spewed on or having to slap a chav .
I could go on in Carryfast style but am quite content to call Canada home ,the thought of tolerating life in PC ridden Britain with all it’s negativity even before the next influx from Eastern Europe would fill me with horror . This place isn’t Utopia but in comparison I know where I’d rather live and that’ll be in a free world .Yeap this is home now .

That is how I remember Canada from my time growing up. Canada will always be where I think of as home. My sons, having heard me talk about Canada while they were growing up, all moved to Canada themselves when they were old enough and things here were sliding downhill. I always said that if things went bad in England I would go back to Canada. I was born in the UK, emigrated at age 3 and returned aged 13, so although I only lived there for 10 years, I still think of myself as more Canadian than British. I’m proud to be Canadian, I’m not nearly so proud to be British even though I’ve been living in Britain since 1967. My sons all say they have no intention of ever moving back to England and want me to move back to Canada too. I probably will when my retirement beckons but at the moment I live in a reasonably nice area with little social problems and I’m earning more here than I could in Canada simply because the population density in Canada is too low for my business to be viable there and they don’t have the same H & S culture which helps me get work here.

There’s obviously no room in your ideas then for any view which would say that the place is just an extension of Britain in which the only reason to regard one as ‘home’ and one not,would be in the same way as I’d view Surrey as home compared to anywhere else in Britain.Somehow I think your view goes against everything that Canada’s British colonial founders intended for it and is an insult to those British troops who died fighting with the French etc to make the place what it was and became over the years.I think they’d now be turning in their graves to see such a load of seperatist anti British bs being put out by those who regard the place as a totally seperate entitity with entry there now being based on some abitrary elitist ideas of those like yourself.All of which I might have expected and understood from a French Canadian colonist but not a British one. :imp: :unamused:

Are you just bitter you couldn’t make a go of it over there?

Those zb’s at the Canadian immigration authorities here wouldn’t let him in over there.Even though there was a British Canadian,who regarded himself as British,who thought that he’d be up to doing the job better than employing a zb Canadian to do it.

Fixed that.

:smiling_imp: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

That’s assuming anyone is stupid enough to think that the whole issue of Brits needing to go through the Canadian ‘immigration process’,then or now,isn’t just a big quota scam to rig the labour markets,both here and there,in the employers favour. :unamused:

kr79:
I thought she was German :smiley: her husbands a bubble multi cultural Britain at its best lol

^ + 1.

So was King Harold while William the conqueror was a French Scandinavian.But I think Harold was actually probably more British than all the rest put together. :bulb: :smiling_imp:

But at least the yanks had the bottle to make a fight of going their own way unlike the zb Canadians. :smiling_imp: :laughing: :laughing:

Big Jon’s dad:

kr79:
I thought she was German :smiley: her husbands a bubble multi cultural Britain at its best lol

The Queen is only German if you follow CF’s idea of ancestory being more important than place of birth or cultural values.
I have a card that says I’m Canadian, and a paper that says I’m Brtish. I prefer being Canadian so that is what I am.
The Queen says she is Canadian so that is good enough for me.
According to CF though I’m German as some of my ancestors came from what is now Germany. Most of my ancestors came from the UK but that won’t faze CF will it?

I’m not sure but I think you’ve also got some descent which makes you an Israeli from the ( rightful ) point of view of the Israeli immigration service. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

But does the Queen just saying that she’s Canadian then mean that the Canadian immigration service would give her Canadian citizenship :question: . :smiling_imp: :laughing:

Carryfast:

Big Jon’s dad:

kr79:
I thought she was German :smiley: her husbands a bubble multi cultural Britain at its best lol

The Queen is only German if you follow CF’s idea of ancestory being more important than place of birth or cultural values.
I have a card that says I’m Canadian, and a paper that says I’m Brtish. I prefer being Canadian so that is what I am.
The Queen says she is Canadian so that is good enough for me.
According to CF though I’m German as some of my ancestors came from what is now Germany. Most of my ancestors came from the UK but that won’t faze CF will it?

I’m not sure but I think you’ve also got some descent which makes you an Israeli from the ( rightful ) point of view of the Israeli immigration service. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

I’m not sure about that. I know to be considered Jewish, your maternal line mustn’t contain any Gentiles. My Jewish ancestors are in my paternal line, so I’m not considered Jewish. Is being Jewish neccessary to be Israeli? I’d make a good Israeli. For a start I’d bomb the Palestinians, and any other arabs that get in my face, back to the stone age. Not that I’m in any way racist, it is simply self preservation. Kaboom!

Big Jon’s dad:

Carryfast:

Big Jon’s dad:

kr79:
I thought she was German :smiley: her husbands a bubble multi cultural Britain at its best lol

The Queen is only German if you follow CF’s idea of ancestory being more important than place of birth or cultural values.
I have a card that says I’m Canadian, and a paper that says I’m Brtish. I prefer being Canadian so that is what I am.
The Queen says she is Canadian so that is good enough for me.
According to CF though I’m German as some of my ancestors came from what is now Germany. Most of my ancestors came from the UK but that won’t faze CF will it?

I’m not sure but I think you’ve also got some descent which makes you an Israeli from the ( rightful ) point of view of the Israeli immigration service. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

I’m not sure about that. I know to be considered Jewish, your maternal line mustn’t contain any Gentiles. My Jewish ancestors are in my paternal line, so I’m not considered Jewish. Is being Jewish neccessary to be Israeli? I’d make a good Israeli. For a start I’d bomb the Palestinians, and any other arabs that get in my face, back to the stone age. Not that I’m in any way racist, it is simply self preservation. Kaboom!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_na … law#Return

Now we’re on the same side even though both you and them probably wouldn’t let me in to help them.Go IDF. :wink: :smiley:

Carryfast:
But does the Queen just saying that she’s Canadian then mean that the Canadian immigration service would give her Canadian citizenship :question: . :smiling_imp: :laughing:

Canadian constitution 101 youtube.com/watch?v=sD-GnlEa1bI
I don’t think the Queen even has a passport let alone a citizenship card.
Basically the Queen is the supreme leader so if the Queen says she’s Canadian, you’d better beleive it. Otherwise she’ll have some big fellas put you in her tower for her pleasure. :smiling_imp:
One day, it could be that Canada will become a republic, if that is what Canada’s citizens decide they want and then vote for. I doubt that will happen in my lifetime.

Big Jon’s dad:

Carryfast:
But does the Queen just saying that she’s Canadian then mean that the Canadian immigration service would give her Canadian citizenship :question: . :smiling_imp: :laughing:

Canadian constitution 101 youtube.com/watch?v=sD-GnlEa1bI
I don’t think the Queen even has a passport let alone a citizenship card.
Basically the Queen is the supreme leader so if the Queen says she’s Canadian, you’d better beleive it. Otherwise she’ll have some big fellas put you in her tower for her pleasure. :smiling_imp:
One day, it could be that Canada will become a republic, if that is what Canada’s citizens decide they want and then vote for. I doubt that will happen in my lifetime.

So the Queen can say that she’s a Canadian but her so called subjects like me can’t.Not much point in having a supreme leader if we’re not all the same under her.I really think that I’d have been better off as an American after all if only my Mum had agreed with my dad to move there before I was born and if only the right side had won the US civil war. :smiling_imp: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Carryfast:

Big Jon’s dad:

Carryfast:
But does the Queen just saying that she’s Canadian then mean that the Canadian immigration service would give her Canadian citizenship :question: . :smiling_imp: :laughing:

Canadian constitution 101 youtube.com/watch?v=sD-GnlEa1bI
I don’t think the Queen even has a passport let alone a citizenship card.
Basically the Queen is the supreme leader so if the Queen says she’s Canadian, you’d better beleive it. Otherwise she’ll have some big fellas put you in her tower for her pleasure. :smiling_imp:
One day, it could be that Canada will become a republic, if that is what Canada’s citizens decide they want and then vote for. I doubt that will happen in my lifetime.

So the Queen can say that she’s a Canadian but her so called subjects like me can’t.Not much point in having a supreme leader if we’re not all the same under her.I really think that I’d have been better off as an American after all if only my Mum had agreed with my dad to move there before I was born and if only the right side had won the US civil war. :smiling_imp: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

It appears to me, CF, that you have a deep desire to be anything rather than who you are. Is life really that sad for you? Has the world really ■■■■■■ on your chips that much?

Don’t feed him

mickyblue:
Don’t feed him

Whyzat? :question: :sunglasses:

Big Jon’s dad:

Carryfast:

Big Jon’s dad:

Carryfast:
But does the Queen just saying that she’s Canadian then mean that the Canadian immigration service would give her Canadian citizenship :question: . :smiling_imp: :laughing:

Canadian constitution 101 youtube.com/watch?v=sD-GnlEa1bI
I don’t think the Queen even has a passport let alone a citizenship card.
Basically the Queen is the supreme leader so if the Queen says she’s Canadian, you’d better beleive it. Otherwise she’ll have some big fellas put you in her tower for her pleasure. :smiling_imp:
One day, it could be that Canada will become a republic, if that is what Canada’s citizens decide they want and then vote for. I doubt that will happen in my lifetime.

So the Queen can say that she’s a Canadian but her so called subjects like me can’t.Not much point in having a supreme leader if we’re not all the same under her.I really think that I’d have been better off as an American after all if only my Mum had agreed with my dad to move there before I was born and if only the right side had won the US civil war. :smiling_imp: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

It appears to me, CF, that you have a deep desire to be anything rather than who you are. Is life really that sad for you? Has the world really ■■■■■■ on your chips that much?

:confused:

I don’t think that I’ve said anything like that whatsoever.

Getting back on topic it’s not me who’s whingeing about not being able to find enough drivers to drive a fleet of trucks.Then whingeing about anyone from Britain,daring to say that the Canadian immigration authorities,seem to be adding to that situation,by not viewing the British workforce over recent years,just as worthy of allowing into the country,without any bs restrictions of one sort or another,as it was when the country was founded as a British colony. :bulb:

Carryfast:

Big Jon’s dad:
It appears to me, CF, that you have a deep desire to be anything rather than who you are. Is life really that sad for you? Has the world really ■■■■■■ on your chips that much?

:confused:

I don’t think that I’ve said anything like that whatsoever.

OK fair enough, it was the impression you gave me. I dunno if it was just me or if it is a vibe you give off that others pick up.
Anyway I think we’ve just about covered all the bases and have included all your favorite hobby horses, except maybe 2 strokes, tilts and draw bar outfits but I can’t see how we could fit those in.
I think we will just have to agree to disagree because we are covering the same ground all over again. At least we agree on Israel so I’m ending on a positive note. BFN, gotta go to work.

Pay rates her in Canada for drivers In most cases are
the same as the mid 1990s.
There is no shortage of people who would drive if paid
a fair wage.
Most long haul is paid by the mile,so no pay if you are
delayed. Break down, traffic,weather,loading,
unloading, per trip inspection all free.
More info here.
trucknews.com

smart-trucking.com/truck-dri … rtage.html

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Just reading some more of that forum. I knew Americans had it bad but much of it makes for very depressing reading, the “Report a Bad Trucking Company Here” section has some real horrors. Makes me glad to work for a little company in poor little New Brunswick, its not perfect but I’m treat like a King compared to many of those poor souls south of the border!

You’re not wrong Robin. I am appauled at the way drivers are treated by most trucking companies down here. As you know very well my company treats me very well but I meet drivers all over who have it very rough. People sit outside my terminal for a day or more waiting for a pick up number, others tell tales of sitting around for days waiting for a reload without pay. Other tanker companys that come in don’t get detention pay or any waiting time, no holiday pay, vacation pay, benefits or rights. Made to run ilegaly and then the comany denies they have any knowledge of such things. Some get a very poor 25 cents a mile and nothing extra, they advertise about $45 - $55 K a year which is nothing in this country. If my job folds here I will go back to my first trucking company (if they would have me). Although a small company with just about 10 trucks they increased the pay rates every year, they paid average pay for vacations and the vacation weeks increased as time passed to a maximum of 8 weeks, they know how to look after drivers, they are very rare.

On paper it looks like I’m on a bad screw, and being honest I do moan often enough, not least on here but after reading what I have, I’m considering myself ■■■■ lucky to have the job I do, where I do. I’m on 34 cents per mile and get nothing else unless we do multi drop and then the 2nd and up drops are paid at $25 each. This last week I left home late on Sunday afternoon and ran down to Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, tipped first thing monday morning and they ran me back to our yard in Woodstock, New Brunswick empty as they had a load of loaded trailers waiting. I hooked on to a trailer and set off on Monday afternoon for Jefferson, Georgia where I was booked in for 7am Thursday morning, but I got it off on Wednesday afternoon. My reload was down in Smithville, Georgia for 7am Thursday morning, which I got on within the hour and head back home. I pulled in to our yard on Saturday afternoon at about 2pm having done 6345km (3942 miles) with less than 10 minutes left on my 70. Obviously it doesn’t always go quite that well but it is pretty typical and more importantly theres no such thing as this DAC (if thats what its called?) where drivers can be black listed in Canada, thats a real shock to read about and despite companies here in Canada always crying out for drivers, just like in the US, we dont have to jump through hoops with references from all previous employers and sell our souls to be offered a crap job at a crap big fleet like seems to be the case in the US. I’ve just spent the past 4 hours reading through only a fraction of that forum and I’m sickened by what lengths some of them will go to and how desperate they are to work for crap companies and equally at how these companies treat drivers. We have some crap companies here in NB but we’d never get fired for speaking our mind or complaining about miles, and if one company did fire you, you’d have a job at 10 others within the day with no references or checks required.
My only question is, why do drivers from a country such as America, so famed for its freedoms and princepals all bow down to this type of treatment and working as if nothing more than illiterate serfs. Admittedely most of the posters did actually come across as illiterate serfs but even so, most of what I’ve read today makes the job lot of Bulgarians working for Willi Betz look much more promising. What is the suicide rate for US drivers?
I still think there is a better life over all to be had driving a truck in the UK and enjoying proper consistent home time, but Canada for the faults it does have, seems many times better than what can only be described as a third world cess pit that is the US when it comes to driving jobs.

I couldn’t quite understand what carryfast encountered with the $500k requirement thing.

For Saskatchewan you get maximum points over $40,000, but still a point if you have at least $10,000.

Maybe it’s to do with the province? :question:

My best mate is over there now, been about 6 months totally loves it and not comeing back lets be fair its all over here for a while , moneys not excellant but its enough and not all in life is about money anyway

There’s a very simple reason that Canada is experiencing a shortage of truck drivers…

DRIVING TRUCKS IS A CRAP JOB :open_mouth:

Now, most of the people reading this will have a different view on that, most of us drive for a living, those that don’t have a keen interest in the business of trucking, you must do or you wouldn’t be reading this, but we are very much in the minority.

I went to school like most people, in my class were 30 kids, I was the only one that wanted to be a lorry driver. In my school year there were four other classes of 30 kids, none of them wanted to be lorry drivers either, so out of 150 kids I was the only one who became a lorry driver (it was a boy’s school too) That is probably a good representation of the numbers of new blood coming into our industry. I.E. Not a lot. This applies almost worldwide and the reason for that is simple…

DRIVING TRUCKS IS A CRAP JOB :open_mouth:

So let’s look at this from a non lorry loving perspective, not a lot of point looking at this situation from our perspective as we all have biased opinions on our industry, after all here I am on a Sunday Afternoon poncing around on the internet looking at a website about lorries and all the stuff associated with them. It stands to reason that I’m rather fond of lorries, as are you.

The Canadian job itself

First of all we have to remember that the driver shortage in mainly in the Long Haul positions, the local jobs are pretty much sewn up. So the average Long Haul job means, up to 16hrs a day on duty. When the day’s work is done, time off is taken in the place of work (the sleeper) in places with little or no facilities. Truckstops are thin on the ground in Canada and those that do exist are not very good.

Pressure to meet strict, often impossible deadlines, no matter what problems encountered along the way, in Canada especially, the weather can have a major impact on journey times, yet loads are still booked in and missed appointments mean waiting around for a new booking. so a journey that could, in decent conditions, take two days may take three in winter time, the mileage pay structure means that the extra day taken has had a big impact on the driver’s wage. They will have worked a lot harder for less money per day, as time is not relevant when it comes to wages, it’s all about the miles.

Then we have the driving itself, The three main areas that are experiencing a driver shortage are The Maritimes, The Prairies and The Oil Patch. In the Maritimes the main routes are back and forwards doing the very busy North East Triangle, down to the New York area, reloading for Toronto and back to the Maritimes. It’s all chase chase chase and the money is not very good.

In The Prairies, there’s a greater variety of destinations and there are three main routes, east to Ontario and Quebec, west to Alberta and BC (as I do) or cross border to any one of the 48 States in the land of the free, money is better than The Maritimes and it’s not so much of the chase, but winter has a huge impact on things no matter which route you run, although staying north of the border will increase the odds of having weather related problems for six months of the year, running south at least you get out of it for a couple of days each trip, but it’s all waiting for you on the way back home and it will be the same every year, there’s no such thing as a Mild Canadian Winter. Most jobs here are out for a week/ten days, back for a couple of day’s off and back out again, week in, week out, year in, year out.

The Oil Patch is different again, there’s big bucks to be earned here and a lot of jobs need big equipment, so a lot of drivers have left the hire and reward sections and are driving Oil Field Trucks, there’s still general freight to be moved, but the rates cannot compete with the money on offer from the Oil Companies, so the run of the mill Trucking Companies struggle to find drivers.

That is a basic overview of what’s on offer here, long hours, days/weeks away from home, poor facilties, mileage pay that means when the wheels stop turning the driver stops earning, not very enticing is it :question:

Compare that to a job in an office/factory/retail, you get paid for every minute you work, you go home every night and you don’t have put up with the winter weather. Your job is a small part of your life, you work to earn a living and you have time to enjoy the fruits of your labours and spend time with friends and family.

Not really that difficult to see why Canada needs truck drivers is it :bulb: