Hi Everyone
Can you please help me, i drive a class 2 every other week in between driving the class 2, I drive a small van, There for one week driving the company van, the week after the class 2.
My question is, my manager has told me that head office has monitored by driving and there saying i’m NOT removing my digi card whilst on a 45 min break, and that i’m not taking enough rest between shifts.
My hours of working are Mon to Thurs 0700-1615hrs regardless of Van driving or class 2 driving fri 0700- 1515.
and every other saturday 0800 - 1200.
my question is to you in the know, do i have to remove my digi card on a 45 min break (vehicle does not move from the yard)
and how can they say i’m not getting enough rest between shifts.
I look forward to your replys.
Thanks Lea
No you don’t remove your card… You put it on break. I’ve never heard of this.
In fact I reckon DVSA would look at is in a negative way if they came and checked up on you and you said card was out because you were on break!
Sounds like your manager has no idea. Ignore them and tell em you have put the tacho on the propper mode and head office should focus on learning the rules before they get drivers into trouble.
The only exception to this is if a shunter might be moving the vehicle. In my case that isn’t likely as I’d have the keys in my pocket and if the shunter wanted to move it I’d take my card out and would then start my break all over again.
There’s no reason what so ever to.remove your card on a 45min break.
And if you did how on earth would you know when.youve had 45mins?
Just leave it in
lealar:
Hi Everyone
Can you please help me, i drive a class 2 every other week in between driving the class 2, I drive a small van, There for one week driving the company van, the week after the class 2.
My question is, my manager has told me that head office has monitored by driving and there saying i’m NOT removing my digi card whilst on a 45 min break, and that i’m not taking enough rest between shifts.
My hours of working are Mon to Thurs 0700-1615hrs regardless of Van driving or class 2 driving fri 0700- 1515.
and every other saturday 0800 - 1200.
my question is to you in the know, do i have to remove my digi card on a 45 min break (vehicle does not move from the yard)
and how can they say i’m not getting enough rest between shifts.
I look forward to your replys.
Thanks Lea
No need to remove card when on a 45min break. No one else is jumping in and moving it whilst you’re on break is there?
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When you work Sat morning you’re going onto a reduced weekly rest, (43hrs instead of 45) but make it up the following week, so no apparent problem there, that I can see.
Daily rests are all over 11hrs.
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I assume you are on Euro rules, not GB Domestic regs? Can’t see any issues if you are anyway?
Your card should be left in the machine to record your 45 minute. The only situation where you would need to remove it during your Break would be if e.g. another driver was going to move the vehicle while you were on your break.
I can’t really see how the shift pattern you describe would result in insufficient Daily Rest being recorded. Presumably the company have had the downloaded data analysed - in which case I suggest you ask them to show you where you’ve had insufficient Rest. The only way I can see it happening is if you’ve cocked up manual entries, resulting in the tacho recording Other Work right through your Daily Rest…
lealar:
My question is, my manager has told me that head office has monitored by driving and there saying i’m NOT removing my digi card whilst on a 45 min break, and that i’m not taking enough rest between shifts.
Thanks Lea
Just to be clear we are talking removing your card for your 45 min break and not your 45 hour weekly rest?
There is nothing stopping you leaving the card in for a weekly rest as long as the vehicle won’t be moved and its on rest but its not advisable. But I can’t see you doing that anyway when you know your driving the van the next week.
Roymondo:
Your card should be left in the machine to record your 45 minute. The only situation where you would need to remove it during your Break would be if e.g. another driver was going to move the vehicle while you were on your break.
I can’t really see how the shift pattern you describe would result in insufficient Daily Rest being recorded. Presumably the company have had the downloaded data analysed - in which case I suggest you ask them to show you where you’ve had insufficient Rest. The only way I can see it happening is if you’ve cocked up manual entries, resulting in the tacho recording Other Work right through your Daily Rest…
Hi when you say cocked up manual entries, this is what i do, say i finish driving the class 2 on Saturday at 12, then on the monday i come back to work at 7am and drive the van all week, then the following Monday i’m then back in the class 2, when i’m asked for manual entrie i enter from the Monday (van week) other work or the question mark then it jumpes to the present day, are you saying i would have to enter every day individually Mon to Fri then sat and sun as days off?
Roymondo:
Your card should be left in the machine to record your 45 minute. The only situation where you would need to remove it during your Break would be if e.g. another driver was going to move the vehicle while you were on your break.
I can’t really see how the shift pattern you describe would result in insufficient Daily Rest being recorded. Presumably the company have had the downloaded data analysed - in which case I suggest you ask them to show you where you’ve had insufficient Rest. The only way I can see it happening is if you’ve cocked up manual entries, resulting in the tacho recording Other Work right through your Daily Rest…
Hi when you say cocked up manual entries, this is what i do, say i finish driving the class 2 on Saturday at 12, then on the monday i come back to work at 7am and drive the van all week, then the following Monday i’m then back in the class 2, when i’m asked for manual entrie i enter from the Monday (van week) other work or the question mark then it jumpes to the present day, are you saying i would have to enter every day individually Mon to Fri then sat and sun as days off?
Sorry if i sound a bit thick, but our company has just been bought out, all new vehicles and new digi cards, old company was using analog.
My question is, my manager has told me that head office has monitored by driving and there saying i’m NOT removing my digi card whilst on a 45 min break, and that i’m not taking enough rest between shifts.
My hours of working are Mon to Thurs 0700-1615hrs regardless of Van driving or class 2 driving fri 0700- 1515.
and every other saturday 0800 - 1200.
Roymondo:
Your card should be left in the machine to record your 45 minute. The only situation where you would need to remove it during your Break would be if e.g. another driver was going to move the vehicle while you were on your break.
I can’t really see how the shift pattern you describe would result in insufficient Daily Rest being recorded. Presumably the company have had the downloaded data analysed - in which case I suggest you ask them to show you where you’ve had insufficient Rest. The only way I can see it happening is if you’ve cocked up manual entries, resulting in the tacho recording Other Work right through your Daily Rest…
Hi when you say cocked up manual entries, this is what i do, say i finish driving the class 2 on Saturday at 12, then on the monday i come back to work at 7am and drive the van all week, then the following Monday i’m then back in the class 2, when i’m asked for manual entrie i enter from the Monday (van week) other work or the question mark then it jumpes to the present day, are you saying i would have to enter every day individually Mon to Fri then sat and sun as days off?
I think that may be where you are going wrong. When you get back in the Class 2 vehicle after a week of van driving, it’s totally impractical (and not required) to enter each day’s work/break/rest times in the form of manual entries. You should make a single manual entry from the time you last ejected your card until the time you next inserted it with the Mode showing “?”. This means that all those intervening days are shown as “unaccounted” time. You cover this by ideally keeping a proper paper log or by simply making some form of paper record such as a diary showing your shift start/end times.
Roymondo:
Your card should be left in the machine to record your 45 minute. The only situation where you would need to remove it during your Break would be if e.g. another driver was going to move the vehicle while you were on your break.
I can’t really see how the shift pattern you describe would result in insufficient Daily Rest being recorded. Presumably the company have had the downloaded data analysed - in which case I suggest you ask them to show you where you’ve had insufficient Rest. The only way I can see it happening is if you’ve cocked up manual entries, resulting in the tacho recording Other Work right through your Daily Rest…
Hi when you say cocked up manual entries, this is what i do, say i finish driving the class 2 on Saturday at 12, then on the monday i come back to work at 7am and drive the van all week, then the following Monday i’m then back in the class 2, when i’m asked for manual entrie i enter from the Monday (van week) other work or the question mark then it jumpes to the present day, are you saying i would have to enter every day individually Mon to Fri then sat and sun as days off?
I think that may be where you are going wrong. When you get back in the Class 2 vehicle after a week of van driving, it’s totally impractical (and not required) to enter each day’s work/break/rest times in the form of manual entries. You should make a single manual entry from the time you last ejected your card until the time you next inserted it with the Mode showing “?”. This means that all those intervening days are shown as “unaccounted” time. You cover this by ideally keeping a proper paper log or by simply making some form of paper record such as a diary showing your shift start/end times.
Hi
Got You, already keep a record of van driving hours, Thank you very much for the explanation.
Legally you don’t need to make a record for the van driving week, granted it would speed things up if stopped and you did have one. Ido something similar to yourself and have a clocking in / out app on my phone, so I’d just show them that.
It depends on the age of the truck to doing a manual entry through, if it’s older than October 2011, you won’t be able to enter the ? Symbol, so the only way to effectively enter it is by not doing a manual entry, this will record all the time the card is out as ?
If it’s newer than October 2011, when you put your card back in, I’d add any time that’s needed to the end of the last truck shift, ie, get out of the truck at 1600, clock out at 1630, you’d need to record that 30 mins as other work etc, I’d then record the rest period as bed, I’d then record from the end of the rest period to the beginning of the next weekly rest as ? Then the weekly rest as bed, then any time from the beginning of the shift until you put your card in, sounds complicated, but it really isn’t once you’ve done it a few time and that’s where the app I use comes in handy as I’ve all my times to hand, probably take about 2 mins max.
Clarify what your saying. Not enough break time between shifts on a daily basis or not enough weekend rest time.
Either way you should be making manual entries during your van time as your still being paid as a Driver
As for taking your card out during a break its a definite NO at the w/e yes as the vehicle might be used by others
I don’t make manual entries as the twice I have I’ve messed up and caused infringements.
for the week that you drive the class 2, put your card in as normal and record your breaks on it and don’t remove it.
For the week that you are in the van then just record it in a little diary, including break etc and keep that with you whenever you’re driving in either vehicle and you are covered as VOSA accept that too
