Jinxed wagon or bad driving?

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Presumably both drivers were travelling at too great a speed for the bend they had just negotiated, I’m not saying it’s the case here but some firms do tend to give you the “hurry up”.

So the (predictable) solution is to stick a 7.5 limit on the road?

Of course, they don’t tip over do they? :wink:

Class 1 job going around Bristol by the look of it though! :slight_smile:

More to the point, what were you doing on that website anyway? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

driven that road hundreds of times, and the cambers are all wrong, you have to take it easy, nearly been caught out there and the ■■■ has gripped the seat on more than once. he should of known better to be truthful they use it eveyday. i don’t know if he had a blow out to cause it or not :unamused: :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

Happydaze:
More to the point, what were you doing on that website anyway? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

:laughing: :laughing: I was in the cafe and had a flick through the paper while I was eating my breakfast. That’s my excuse anyway :laughing:

selby newcomer:

Happydaze:
More to the point, what were you doing on that website anyway? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

:laughing: :laughing: I was in the cafe and had a flick through the paper while I was eating my breakfast. That’s my excuse anyway :laughing:

I was guilty of that myself this morning! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Harry Monk:
Presumably both drivers were travelling at too great a speed for the bend they had just negotiated, I’m not saying it’s the case here but some firms do tend to give you the “hurry up”.

If it’s bulk refuse the driver doesn’t get the luxury of being able to control the load/weight distribution.It’s usually just all chucked in there by the the general public or at best a shovel operator who just chucks it all in as he picks it up.In which case more than 50 % of the weight of the payload could be loaded above the half way mark of the container with zb all below that.All it takes then is for the driver to find the most likely part on the route where a (very) high centre of gravity is likely to be most affected.Obviously that seems like as good a place as any. :bulb:

Carryfast:
If it’s bulk refuse the driver doesn’t get the luxury of being able to control the load/weight distribution.It’s usually just all chucked in there by the the general public or at best a shovel operator who just chucks it all in as he picks it up.In which case more than 50 % of the weight of the payload could be loaded above the half way mark of the container with zb all below that.All it takes then is for the driver to find the most likely part on the route where a (very) high centre of gravity is likely to be most affected.Obviously that seems like as good a place as any. :bulb:

Agreed, those bulk refuse trailers seem particularly prone to going over. Firm down Cardiff way (Alun Evans :question: ) have had a fair few go over on the A40 heading down towards Haverfordwest . CF is pretty much on the money with the root cause IMO, although this sort of job does seem to be a bit like other forms of muckaway work, more loads per hour = more dosh.

Clearly a case of rubbish driving at its best. The only cause for going over on a bend on this type of road is your going too bloody fast.
Have had the pleasure of attending a couple of rollover course’s run by CRYdel Ltd http://www.crydel.com/crydel.swf and can confirm it dont take much to tip one over

The driver was treated for sunburn to his right arm.

When asked what happened he replied I’m not sure I was sat in the passenger seat trying to get my left arm to match the right one,
I didn’t know that you couldn’t leave the drivers seat once the cruise control was switched on!!!

Quite simple … Bad driving !
Every driver should get the feel of his vehicle and know how it will react on every part of the road and judge the reaction and if not sure then slow down. It’s the same answer for most accidents … the driver is the one in control and inless it’s a blow out or a mechanical failure it is without doubt the drivers fault.

It’s worth noting however that it is a rubbish truck and world wide they are notorious for these events, it could have been overloaded but then again thats the drivers fault for taking it on the road in an unsafe condition, if it is loaded top heavy it’s easy for a driver who knows what he is doing to tell as soon as he makes even the slowest turn and then not go any further.

Pat Hasler:
Quite simple … Bad driving !
Every driver should get the feel of his vehicle and know how it will react on every part of the road and judge the reaction and if not sure then slow down. It’s the same answer for most accidents … the driver is the one in control and inless it’s a blow out or a mechanical failure it is without doubt the drivers fault.

It’s worth noting however that it is a rubbish truck and world wide they are notorious for these events, it could have been overloaded but then again thats the drivers fault for taking it on the road in an unsafe condition, if it is loaded top heavy it’s easy for a driver who knows what he is doing to tell as soon as he makes even the slowest turn and then not go any further.

I should know because I drove a multilift with bulk refuse containers when I was on the council.It’s not ‘how’ heavy it is it’s ‘where’ the weight is that matters.The driver has no way of knowing the weight of each individual item/bag that makes up the load and therefore where the weight has all been chucked and therefore the centre of gravity on every container he moves before actually driving it.

Using your idea you’d drive the thing up the road and if,as is often the case,it drives like a badly loaded ship in a storm and assuming that it doesn’t go over at the first bend or roundabout you’d take it back and tell the depot that it’s all got to come out and be sorted heaviest first and then re loaded on every container.Yeah right.

Having said that in my case it did help that I’d been driving 38 tonner fire trucks around a test track at 70 mph shortly before doing the job though. :smiling_imp: :wink: :laughing:

Pat Hasler:
Quite simple … Bad driving !
Every driver should get the feel of his vehicle and know how it will react on every part of the road and judge the reaction and if not sure then slow down. It’s the same answer for most accidents … the driver is the one in control and inless it’s a blow out or a mechanical failure it is without doubt the drivers fault.

This ^^^^^

Another Gardner wagon on it’s side? That’s 4 in the last 5 years to my knowledge!

I have a spooky story.

In august 2010 one of our night drivers was driving along the M8, at the footbridge just west of harthill services a young boy committed suicide by jumping off and under our truck.

In July 2011 one of our day drivers had a heart attack at the wheel and crashed into the same footbridge and died from his injuries.

Me along with a few others from my company have had some extremely near misses whilst near this bridge. Infact a few weeks ago i nearly got wiped out by a Bulgarian artic forgetting he was driving a artic maybe he thought he was in his car?!

That is what i call jinxed!

john_costigan:
Another Gardner wagon on it’s side? That’s 4 in the last 5 years to my knowledge!

would this be why they stopped putting the artwork on their trucks?

Nearly had a container truck over once, very slow going round a roundabout, and it was loaded with coat hangers…

Adverse camber on the roundabout, approx 1/4 way round, the coat hangers moved inside, not a lot of weight, but just the momentum or something, saw wheels on drivers side of the trailer come off the ground and just straightened it up a touch and slowed down more. Reported it at base, had to fill in an essay and the rail lifter reported a ‘shifting load’ whatever that means for the train.

BUT, if I’d been going even slower round the roundabout, it wouldn’t have happened.

This driver was going too fast - subject to MAJOR mechanical fault.

I’ve done bulk landfill work for many years and as carryfast says loads can be often top heavy or all the weight could be down one side.
You just have to take this in yo account when driving.

And Gardners aren’t exactly a 40mph company are they? It’s amazing they haven’t rolled one between Stratford and Mickleton going to Simms Metals. If you see one of their drivers doing less than 56, he’s on a break :laughing: