talking to someone i was told her fella, has class 2 license…
but they recon they can drive a wag and drag on this?? cus of grand father rights…
i thought u could only drive a wag and drag after passing class 1 only 
dazaster:
talking to someone i was told her fella, has class 2 license…
but they recon they can drive a wag and drag on this?? cus of grand father rights…
i thought u could only drive a wag and drag after passing class 1 only
If he actually passed a Class 2 HGV test (i.e. he passed his HGV test before 1993 when it changed to LGV) then he will now have a restricted LGV C+E licence, meaning that he can drive a wagon and drag but not an articulated combination.
Essentially, what you were told is 100% correct.
essentially LGV passes go up in stages
the old HGV passes meant you could drag a trailer with a 1/2 or 3 licence
Harry Monk:
dazaster:
talking to someone i was told her fella, has class 2 license…
but they recon they can drive a wag and drag on this?? cus of grand father rights…
i thought u could only drive a wag and drag after passing class 1 onlyIf he actually passed a Class 2 HGV test (i.e. he passed his HGV test before 1993 when it changed to LGV) then he will now have a restricted LGV C+E licence, meaning that he can drive a wagon and drag but not an articulated combination.
Essentially, what you were told is 100% correct.
Grandfather rights regarding driving HGV refers to pre 1970 drivers who gained their licence by driving before the HGV licence was introduced.You got whatever class of vehicle you were driving during a six month qualifying period between 1969 and 1970 as in class 3 for four wheeler,class 2 for six and eight wheelers and class 1 for articulated.
Dave the Renegade:
Harry Monk:
dazaster:
talking to someone i was told her fella, has class 2 license…
but they recon they can drive a wag and drag on this?? cus of grand father rights…
i thought u could only drive a wag and drag after passing class 1 onlyIf he actually passed a Class 2 HGV test (i.e. he passed his HGV test before 1993 when it changed to LGV) then he will now have a restricted LGV C+E licence, meaning that he can drive a wagon and drag but not an articulated combination.
Essentially, what you were told is 100% correct.
Grandfather rights regarding driving HGV refers to pre 1970 drivers who gained their licence by driving before the HGV licence was introduced.You got whatever class of vehicle you were driving during a six month qualifying period between 1969 and 1970 as in class 3 for four wheeler and so on.
I have to disagree, Grandfather’s Rights refer to several stages of legal change where people who had been doing a certain job were allowed to continue doing it, there are still Transport Managers who have never taken a CPC but who are allowed to hold the O Licence because of Grandfather’s Rights.
Harry Monk:
Dave the Renegade:
Harry Monk:
dazaster:
talking to someone i was told her fella, has class 2 license…
but they recon they can drive a wag and drag on this?? cus of grand father rights…
i thought u could only drive a wag and drag after passing class 1 onlyIf he actually passed a Class 2 HGV test (i.e. he passed his HGV test before 1993 when it changed to LGV) then he will now have a restricted LGV C+E licence, meaning that he can drive a wagon and drag but not an articulated combination.
Essentially, what you were told is 100% correct.
Grandfather rights regarding driving HGV refers to pre 1970 drivers who gained their licence by driving before the HGV licence was introduced.You got whatever class of vehicle you were driving during a six month qualifying period between 1969 and 1970 as in class 3 for four wheeler and so on.
I have to disagree, Grandfather’s Rights refer to several stages of legal change where people who had been doing a certain job were allowed to continue doing it, there are still Transport Managers who have never taken a CPC but who are allowed to hold the O Licence because of Grandfather’s Rights.
Read my post again Harry.I was referring to driving.I agree about the TM Grandfathers rights.
Its a c&e with a 102 restriction
I came out of the army in 1975 driving all sorts of heavy wagons and armoured cars my mates came out and got their class 1 with grandfathers rights would I still be able to claim mine or is it too late I passed my class 2 last year.
Brian J:
I came out of the army in 1975 driving all sorts of heavy wagons and armoured cars my mates came out and got their class 1 with grandfathers rights would I still be able to claim mine or is it too late I passed my class 2 last year.
I would say that you could have done at the time but that you have left it too long now.
Brian J wrote:I came out of the army in 1975 driving all sorts of heavy wagons and armoured cars my mates came out and got their class 1 with grandfathers rights would I still be able to claim mine or is it too late I passed my class 2 last year.
Can’t see how they got Class One (Artic) through Grandfather Rights unless they had been driving Artics in the Army which we only had Tank Transporters then, heavy wagons (what!) and armoured cars are not Class One. I only got my Class One after doing a pre release course in a civvie training centre in Liverpool with other squaddies as the Army had no Class One training vehicles or Instructors/testers then (1980), they didn’t get them for a few years later.
Not saying they told a few Porky’s to get the Class One but it doesn’t sound right. Grandfather Rights as Harry said came about with the introduction of the new licence system, my old man had to do the course as he was driving a four wheel tipper during the required 6 Month period to qualify for Class One on GF Rights although he had been driving artics for years. His Gaffer at the time wouldn’t sign the paperwork for him and a few others, which was also a requirement. His reason being they didn’t have artics so they didn’t need the licence and would have to go elsewhere if they did, he was a nice man! Some guys at other firms were lucky and got the licence even though they hadn’t drove artics, this could have been the case with the ex squaddies, somebody signed the paperwork for them. Franky.
IMHO both Dave and Harry are correct, but I think that’s because they’re talking of different things.
I think Dave is talking of the introduction of the HGV test and the grandfather rights of the existing drivers at the time, plus the need for new entrants to take a HGV test.
Once the ‘new’ HGV system was established…
A person who passed HGV III could drive a two-axle rigid, with or without a trailer (but not an artic)
A person who passed HGV II could drive a three or four-axle rigid, with or without a trailer (but not an artic)
A person who passed HGV I could drive HGV II and III as above, but including artics.
IIRC, a person who passed ‘old’ HGV Class II or III ( = new “Cat C”) gets to drive old HGV classes II and III with or without a trailer cos they now have the 102 restriction mentioned by bjd. The 102 restriction prevents them from driving an artic and is the method by which their entitlement is preserved into the new “Cat” system.
The HGV system gave drawbar trailer entitlement to HGV II and HGV III holders for free, whereas the new LGV system makes trailers into a proper category in their own right (Cat “E”) and hence the need for an “+E” test after the implementation date.
I think Harry is talking about the transition from HGV to LGV, which happened much, much later.
That’s right most posters on here won’t have been at driving age when the original change came late Sixties, I was only around 16/17 years old but being in the haulage trade I remember the problems it caused and the concern a lot of old hands had, they were actually nervous of taking a test if they didn’t get the rights and some did fail through nerves and the bad habits they had picked up, I recall my Father being over the moon he had passed (it meant the difference of Class One pay to Class Two) and at that time he was regarded as one of the old sweats of the company that had taught younger lads how to drive artics (mainly reversing, going forward being the easy bit) so there was also a bit of Macho pride to take into account. Now did the same thing happen when the HGV to LGV change came about, having a Class One I went straight to C+E as many others did but I can’t remember now if some guys had a problem getting C+E if they hadn’t been driving artics before then, I presume if you didn’t have Class One you wouldn’t qualify for C+E anyway.
Frankydobo:
Brian J wrote:I came out of the army in 1975 driving all sorts of heavy wagons and armoured cars my mates came out and got their class 1 with grandfathers rights would I still be able to claim mine or is it too late I passed my class 2 last year.Can’t see how they got Class One (Artic) through Grandfather Rights unless they had been driving Artics in the Army which we only had Tank Transporters then, heavy wagons (what!) and armoured cars are not Class One.
I only got my Class One after doing a pre release course in a civvie training centre in Liverpool with other squaddies as the Army had no Class One training vehicles or Instructors/testers then (1980), they didn’t get them for a few years later.
Not saying they told a few Porky’s to get the Class One but it doesn’t sound right. Grandfather Rights as Harry said came about with the introduction of the new licence system, my old man had to do the course as he was driving a four wheel tipper during the required 6 Month period to qualify for Class One on GF Rights although he had been driving artics for years. His Gaffer at the time wouldn’t sign the paperwork for him and a few others, which was also a requirement. His reason being they didn’t have artics so they didn’t need the licence and would have to go elsewhere if they did, he was a nice man! Some guys at other firms were lucky and got the licence even though they hadn’t drove artics, this could have been the case with the ex squaddies, somebody signed the paperwork for them. Franky.
I joined the Army in 1976 went through my all my driving tests from car to HGV Class III, II and I also M/bike, Track etc, but then I was in the Royal Corps Of Transport whom had loads of Driving Instructors.
Jazzer:
Frankydobo:
Brian J wrote:I came out of the army in 1975 driving all sorts of heavy wagons and armoured cars my mates came out and got their class 1 with grandfathers rights would I still be able to claim mine or is it too late I passed my class 2 last year.Can’t see how they got Class One (Artic) through Grandfather Rights unless they had been driving Artics in the Army which we only had Tank Transporters then, heavy wagons (what!) and armoured cars are not Class One.
I only got my Class One after doing a pre release course in a civvie training centre in Liverpool with other squaddies as the Army had no Class One training vehicles or Instructors/testers then (1980), they didn’t get them for a few years later.
Not saying they told a few Porky’s to get the Class One but it doesn’t sound right. Grandfather Rights as Harry said came about with the introduction of the new licence system, my old man had to do the course as he was driving a four wheel tipper during the required 6 Month period to qualify for Class One on GF Rights although he had been driving artics for years. His Gaffer at the time wouldn’t sign the paperwork for him and a few others, which was also a requirement. His reason being they didn’t have artics so they didn’t need the licence and would have to go elsewhere if they did, he was a nice man! Some guys at other firms were lucky and got the licence even though they hadn’t drove artics, this could have been the case with the ex squaddies, somebody signed the paperwork for them. Franky.
I joined the Army in 1976 went through my all my driving tests from car to HGV Class III, II and I also M/bike, Track etc, but then I was in the Royal Corps Of Transport whom had loads of Driving Instructors.
Oops and Testers, civvies and old sweats 
dazaster:
talking to someone i was told her fella, has class 2 license…
but they recon they can drive a wag and drag on this?? cus of grand father rights…
i thought u could only drive a wag and drag after passing class 1 only
the change from hgv to lgv came into force on 1/6/90 so any 1 who passed a now defunct class 2 or 3 got cat c/e with 102 restiction,drawbars only,those who passed the new ‘class 2’ ie cat c can only tow trailors up to 750kg then c/e, and u could do class 1 or c/e as it is now without doing rigid first if u did it before 1/1/97
IIRC, in the Army (certainly in trades) your advancement through rank and pay depended upon you being a Class 1, 2 or 3 soldier; not directly related to the HGV driving licence you held, but having said that it did work out that way in REME and probably the RCT as well. When I first came out of brat school in 1979 my pay slips said something like “Band 7 Class 3”, the band being the level of pay appropriate to my trade (mechanic) and the class being the skill level.
Might’ve been different in the cannon fodder (infantry) but I can only speak from personal experience.
Bloody Britons, they can do their license on a small lorry and then drive Wagon and drags without passing a proper exam for it. No wonder that there is so much accidents on our roads!!! 
Dazaster.
As said, it’s right. My mate is in the same position. The real joke is that to get his artic licence, he can retake his test in a wagon and drag, which he already has the licence to drive. Now, would he need L plates on it or not?
DoYouMeanMe?:
Dazaster.
Now, would he need L plates on it or not?
I don’t see why as he’s got a full licence although there’s nothing stopping him using them as an option 