An interesting and horrifying piece from the Sun.
thesun.co.uk/motors/1935810 … hes-a-van/
Well it is obvious what is happening truck driverwise. He/she is pulling a maxi trailer it swings out to the right as he turns left.
A good one for HGV/LCV driving school dangers. When I used these at Morrisons told not to get closer than 1.5 mtrs/4 and a bit feet when turning.
Van driver was a goon for getting so close to the lights but the hgv driver wants charging for that. Probably didn’t appreciate the outswing but hell even with a normal trailer he’d probably hit him. Should have sussed it straight away and hung back.
Obviously the reporter doesn’t know how articulation works ‘Even more shocking it that the driver is sat on the same side that is being crushed by the trailer.’ Yeah well when your turning left at that angle pal unless youve got 8ft cameras/wing mirror arms you gonna see rock all. It is the Sun after all.
Shocking none the less.
Maybe an inexperienced driver? Or just not concentrating? Anyway like you said you’d think twice about making that turn with a normal trailer wouldn’t you?
Can’t really blame the van though can we?
What would you do? Hang back and wait for what exactly? Xmas 
white van man ain’t moving for no one!
Would be safer and easier to put all the extra length ahead of the axles increasing the cut in where it can be dealt with as an artic is supposed to be driven.
Not on the tail sweep which is an accident waiting to happen.
drover:
Maybe an inexperienced driver? Or just not concentrating? Anyway like you said you’d think twice about making that turn with a normal trailer wouldn’t you?
Can’t really blame the van though can we?
What would you do? Hang back and wait for what exactly? Xmas white van man ain’t moving for no one!
Yeah I would, and if the next driver did the same go up to him and ask them to hang back so I could turn left.
Had it happen once at sharp left turn on the South Circular in London - many moons ago.
2 lanes to the lights, one for left & one for right. The White stop line for the right was set well back to allow for the swing out on the left turn and the lights were staggered to keep right turning traffic safe.
I had any empty flat trailer and was at the front at the lights to turn left, set off happily and was halfway through the left turn when someone shouted stop. He pointed to the rear of the trailer which was obviously out of sight, but when I walked back I found a Morris Minor hanging off the end of the trailer.
The driver admitted his fault and with the help of a few passers-by we lifted his car off and he went on his way, hopefully having learn’t a lesson. No Smartphones then or Facebook so just another day on the Sarf Cerkula.
Those extended rear steer trailers are a bloody nightmare, don’t want one and won’t be using one, they can stick the bloody things where the sun doesn’t shine.
Juddian:
Those extended rear steer trailers are a bloody nightmare, don’t want one and won’t be using one, they can stick the bloody things where the sun doesn’t shine.
It’s anyone’s guess who dreamt up the idea that more tail sweep is safer than more cut in.
The driver should have known that he’d collect the van? Maybe, but England with it’s huge amount of tight roads and spaces really shouldn’t be sending trailers like that anywhere except motorways or other places that have enough room for them.
Carryfast:
Would be safer and easier to put all the extra length ahead of the axles increasing the cut in where it can be dealt with as an artic is supposed to be driven.
Not on the tail sweep which is an accident waiting to happen.
So speaks the voice of inexperience.
The video clip is taken out of context - something newspapers are specialists at with written quotes & it seems they are now using the technique on video clips to the same effect. Sensationalise, truth but not the whole truth, clickbait, etc. etc.
The van is stopped in an abnormal position; too close to the signs to continue without reversing & too far over to the left for a standard stop & wait.
This shows that the van driver has manouvered into that position for a reason other than just stopping at the lights.
There may have been some communication between the truck driver & van driver before the event - but without the preceding video we will not know.
Anybody seen the whole event?
peterm:
The driver should have known that he’d collect the van?
Not if the van wasn’t in that position when he started the turn.
The design is an oxymoron an artic isn’t meant to be driven on a tail sweep or in fact any tail sweep let alone one of that length.I wouldn’t want to drive the contraption it’s a joke and a hazard at every turn.
Also bearing in mind that any weight put on the extra deck length will lift weight off the pin and put it on the rear trailer axle.
Carryfast:
Would be safer and easier to put all the extra length ahead of the axles increasing the cut in where it can be dealt with as an artic is supposed to be driven.
Not on the tail sweep which is an accident waiting to happen.
Putting the extra length ahead of the trailer axles will result in additional weight on the 5th wheel (and so on the unit’s axles). All well and good if you are transporting pallets full of bog rolls, less so if the goods you are carrying have a modicum of weight. The whole idea of having multiple axles on a trailer is that they share the load.
Carryfast:
lift weight off the pin and put it on the rear trailer axle.
Go on then: please explain to us how you were correct in that post.
NB: those trailers all have air suspension.
In the video the van is on the "correct", left side of the road, and appears to be stationary.
The truck is moving and the trailer is on the “wrong” side of the road.
Not a situation I would like to be in, but…
Open and closed.
I think we can all agree that it was a crap position to put traffic lights
Carryfast:
Juddian:
Those extended rear steer trailers are a bloody nightmare, don’t want one and won’t be using one, they can stick the bloody things where the sun doesn’t shine.
It’s anyone’s guess who dreamt up the idea that more tail sweep is safer than more cut in.
Have you ever driven one of these trailers?
None of your normal waffle, not interested. Just a simple yes or no answer. No theorising, just a simple yes or no based on your own personal experience
msgyorkie:
I think we can all agree that it was a crap position to put traffic lights
Nice to agree on some things. 
Nobody can accurately asses the situation as the video is out of context.
Nobody knows from the video whether the van was in the position it was ‘collected’ from when the truck started to turn left; we can only theorise.
The van is in a very suspect position & certainly not one that is normal for stopping at a set of temporary lights, therefore something has gone on before the video starts which caused the van to be in that position. Did he come racing up to the lights & stop hard just before the video was started?
Maybe the van driver moved as far as possible forward in an attempt to avoid a collision until he ran out of space.
Why does the video not show the whole manouvre? Would the preceding 10 seconds of video give a different perspective on who was at fault?
It is most likely the truck driver’s fault, but with the evidence presented nobody can conclude that with 100% certainty as the truck driver has already lost his view of the van’s position in the first frame of the evidence.
Here is the first frame of the video;
Video also available to view here:
tiktok.com/@cartricked/vide … 1145371909
Franglais:
Carryfast:
lift weight off the pin and put it on the rear trailer axle.
Go on then: please explain to us how you were correct in that post.
NB: those trailers all have air suspension.
He is correct if you loaded it ridiculously with all the weight to the rear of the pivot point of the Axel’s. [emoji849]