Northern Irish firms face 60-lorry limit in Republic in no-deal Brexit
Businesses on both sides of border would suffer as permits are limited, freight group says.
Northern Ireland will be allowed to operate just 60 lorries in the Republic of Ireland in the event of a no-deal Brexit, threatening disaster for businesses on both sides of the Irish border.
In a no-deal scenario, all commercial drivers in the UK would be reclassified as third-country operators requiring special permits to operate in the EU.
This spells chaos for the Dover-Calais route, which 11,000 trucks cross each day, and has special consequences in Ireland, where 13,000 cross-border journeys are made daily, transporting everything from bread to Guinness to cement.
The Department for Transport told the Freight Transport Association (FTA) this week that only 984 annual European Conference of Ministers of Transport (ECMT) permits would be issued for 2019.
Hauliers face lottery for permits in no-deal Brexit
It has warned hauliers that if the UK leaves the EU with no deal then they may need these permits to transport goods within the EU or EEA, but the Department for Infrastructure in Belfast has said just 60 permits will be issued in Northern Ireland.
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Edited to insert link:
www.theguardian.com/politics
Sure an auld bit o’ paper won’t make her any faster (hi) #KeepErLit
If 13000 crossings daily then 60 seems a bit of a random number …does it have any significance?
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More random numbers just picked out without any thought, of the 11,000 crossings at Dover you would be lucky if 5% of those are carried out by holders of a UK licence so minimal fuss there then as this will not affect the European drivers. Of course the UK government could grow a set of balls and say we will match the amount of permits that you give us one for one so 60 permits for NI lorries into the Republic well you can have 60 permits for Irish lorries into the UK, two sides to every story
When I read the title I assumed that they were finally getting round to reducing their speed limiters!
the maoster:
When I read the title I assumed that they were finally getting round to reducing their speed limiters!
Lol take more than Brexit for that to happen 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This, it’ll always be FTTM, why change the habit of a lifetime… 
As O licence limits go, easy way around it will be to just register elsewhere/re brand/re name…
jamdoms:
Northern Irish firms face 60-lorry limit in Republic in no-deal Brexit
Businesses on both sides of border would suffer as permits are limited, freight group says.
Northern Ireland will be allowed to operate just 60 lorries in the Republic of Ireland in the event of a no-deal Brexit, threatening disaster for businesses on both sides of the Irish border.
In a no-deal scenario, all commercial drivers in the UK would be reclassified as third-country operators requiring special permits to operate in the EU.
This spells chaos for the Dover-Calais route, which 11,000 trucks cross each day, and has special consequences in Ireland, where 13,000 cross-border journeys are made daily, transporting everything from bread to Guinness to cement.
The Department for Transport told the Freight Transport Association (FTA) this week that only 984 annual European Conference of Ministers of Transport (ECMT) permits would be issued for 2019.
Hauliers face lottery for permits in no-deal Brexit
It has warned hauliers that if the UK leaves the EU with no deal then they may need these permits to transport goods within the EU or EEA, but the Department for Infrastructure in Belfast has said just 60 permits will be issued in Northern Ireland.
No such thing and never will be
Not a problem. UK and NI hauliers get no permits to run into EU, then we won’t issue permits for EU trucks to run into the UK.
Simples!
What could possibly go wrong?
But more seriously, what’s the source of this info? Any links?
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whilst looking at the rha permit waffle it says only euro V1 are eligible for said permits, how can that be right,
TRANSLATION- FTA is ■■■■■■■■ itself at the thought that cheap Polish and Lithuanian labour might dry up.
Drempels:
Harry Monk:
TRANSLATION- FTA is ■■■■■■■■ itself at the thought that cheap Polish and Lithuanian labour might dry up.
Bingo!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ how true^^^^^^^^
EE’s might run out, but the other option is, they will allow people’s from the former colonies in… and they are cheaper still, Happened after the war when we were short of suitable workers.
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Drempels:
Harry Monk:
TRANSLATION- FTA is ■■■■■■■■ itself at the thought that cheap Polish and Lithuanian labour might dry up.
Bingo!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ how true^^^^^^^^
EE’s might run out, but the other option is, they will allow people’s from the former colonies in… and they are cheaper still, Happened after the war when we were short of suitable workers.
Exactly so.
“Taking back control of our borders”
is not saying “No immigration”, is it?
Why use relatively expensive EU labour when we can bring in cheaper labour from outside the EU?
And with cheaper foods coming in from outside the EU…who will our own farmers be wanting to employ in the fields to stay competitive?
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Harry Monk:
TRANSLATION- FTA is ■■■■■■■■ itself at the thought that cheap Polish and Lithuanian labour might dry up.
More like yet more EU hostile intent in the form of more threats of trade sanctions for the crime of daring to want to leave the dictatorship today.EU Federal army rampaging across the country to put down ‘nationalist rebellion’ tomorrow.Because they think that Brits are bunch of weak unpatriotic self serving quislings who won’t retaliate.
Source of the post - the Guardian, what a surprise!
theguardian.com/politics/20 … eal-brexit
…threatening disaster for businesses on both sides of the Irish border
Thats the thing with all this b/s that is spread by certain anon government depts, they usually forget that any restrictions get replicated both sides which isn’t going to go down well in European countries when they suddenly realise there’s no permits for them. Oh dear, you wanted to import BMWs…err…well we can take 2 truck loads as Germany used all its import permits for German sausage imports to Lidl.
Hey this is sounding better and better!
(Not the German sausages, but Audi should be ■■■■■■■■ themselves).
If you can’t send trucks in, could you send in trailers to the ports or have a massive trailer swap park at the Irish border?
trevHCS:
Source of the post - the Guardian, what a surprise!
theguardian.com/politics/20 … eal-brexit
…threatening disaster for businesses on both sides of the Irish border
Thats the thing with all this b/s that is spread by certain anon government depts, they usually forget that any restrictions get replicated both sides which isn’t going to go down well in European countries when they suddenly realise there’s no permits for them. Oh dear, you wanted to import BMWs…err…well we can take 2 truck loads as Germany used all its import permits for German sausage imports to Lidl.
Hey this is sounding better and better!
(Not the German sausages, but Audi should be ■■■■■■■■ themselves).
If you can’t send trucks in, could you send in trailers to the ports or have a massive trailer swap park at the Irish border?
Reading the Guardian report, it reports the Department for Transport saying
that 984 permits are likely to be issued for the UK as a whole. It is the Belfast Department for Infrastructure that says 16 permits for N.I.
It also says there are currently
ELEVEN THOUSAND truck crossings via Dover DAILY.
Well over ONE MILLION goods crossings Eire NI yearly. (Irishtimes) pushing THREE THOUSAND DAILY.
How big a truck park park will be needed? How much lost time dropping picking-up trailers, and damage to “not my trailer, so why should I care”? How long for tugmasters to tip/load boats thus slowing turnround times, increasing fares, delaying JIT deliveries?
In a free trade scenario, the end customer of UK made goods, abroad will be looking at the whole picture: longer lead times, more expensive transport will not bode well in any sense will it?
wont happen - Ireland needs to sell its stuff . A large amount transits through the UK - either through Liverpool , Hollyhead or Fishguard/ Pembroke or through the Northern routes - Larne / Belfast or Warrenpoint . Air freight is very small and containers aint going to work for just in time . It has to go by road . The Irish wil get their stuff to market and they will get their goods delivered in to the country as well (imagine the riots if they dont get their Amazon / ebay / gumtree stuff ) and it will be delivered as usual . Just more Brexit nonsense.