Driver Shortage - What happened? T&D wants your views!

Afternoon all, t’is I, Blaggy McBlagFace aka “that bird what keeps posting on here begging for info”… :blush:

Dead simple one this time, but I think you’ll like it… :grimacing:

It appears there’s a shortage of drivers. Whether that’s a shortage of “decent” drivers, experienced drivers, or drivers in general is another debate for another time, but talking to operators (and that’s something I do a lot of these days) they definitely can’t get the staff they want and need.

So… What happened? Why are people leaving the industry quicker than others are joining it? Where did it all go wrong in your view?

Enjoy! :sunglasses:

When there is a shortage of something, its value goes up. If there was a shortage of drivers, then wages would be going up. They aren’t, therefore there isn’t.

Sorry to say but over the years with foreign imports of drivers willing to work for less money because they house share they can send money home because of the exchange rate it’s imho held pay rates down, this has discouraged new blood coming into the job.
Also people are fed up being treated like virmin.

And like harry said

The companies that can’t keep drivers usually pay a ■■■■■ wage and don’t look after their guys. The company I work for never struggle for drivers, they look after you, replace the motors every 3 years and pay a decent wage.

westermant:
The companies that can’t keep drivers usually pay a [zb] wage and don’t look after their guys. The company I work for never struggle for drivers, they look after you, replace the motors every 3 years and pay a decent wage.

Agreed.
You only reap what you sow, the majority of firms are so far up their own arses and greedy that they fail to see it, or ignore it, aware that there is always somebody who will take their ■■■■…point proven, no shortage.

I also agree with Harry, this driver shortage thing is bollo, (put about by agencies imo)
If there is a shortage, where is the financial incentive to counteract it ■■

I believe that there will soon be an ‘editor shortage’ at T&D.

I think it’s interesting that Schneider National, a US carrier, has been going to the UK and South Africa to find drivers. A quick flick through Reddit shows that the wages offered to Brits/South Africans is pretty poor, and packaged up through an internship program held on an educational visa.

Tbh, I applied - this was a few years ago, got selected, turned up to Brigwater College. I was the only non-freight professional there - all the other guys were C1 and C license holders (I have a C now, mind). They brought in a team of doctors to prod and poke us, and had us at the automotive centre for a week to get a feel for us before they shipped us out to NC for training. In the end, unsurprisingly, someone cocked up at the London embassy and the entire program failed. I wouldn’t have minded driving around the US in a Cascadia for a few years, even with rubbish pay.

But back over here, yeah, the training agencies give the industry a bit of a big-up. ‘Starting wages of 28k’ for C and ‘35k for C+E’ with guaranteed instant work, naturally I ignored them - but even my instructor was saying that there’s a shortage and I’m just the right age and experience to get decent work.

EDIT (accidently hit submit) :
The CPC is often blamed, and I understand why. It’s a lot of hassle to go through when you can make better money doing multidrop in a 3.5t van. I’ve heard of a driver at DPD who earns the fun side of 80k, but he drops ~200 parcels a day with 10 day weeks.

Add to that the fear of the Calais jungle and the responsibility that the government puts on the driver if/when stowaways are discovered - although that’s covered in CPC module 4 to a basic level. Fear of unscrupulous companies who push drivers into breaking the law/speeding/running bent, etc.

Harry Monk:
When there is a shortage of something, its value goes up. If there was a shortage of drivers, then wages would be going up. They aren’t, therefore there isn’t.

This, just look at wages if you want to know the truth.
Have they improved? No!

One of the deciding reasons for me getting my lorry license was the introduction of the CPC. I guessed a lot of the old school wouldn’t want to do it and retire early, leaving a gap in the market place. I passed my test before it came into play and struggled for work. Thinking I’d made a big mistake I held on until the CPC came into force, lo and behold, I was having jobs thrown at me.
Now I’m not sure if it’s simply because I take more notice, but there seems to be an awful lot more Eastern Europeans driving now than when I first passed, and they’ve definately had an influence on this so called driver shortage. Our place pay decent wages and use decent kit for an easy job ( was told it was dead man shoes when I first got my agency placement), but I find we’re topping up our drivers with EE.

It went wrong in the late 90s I reckon,manufacturers and other firms stopping running there own wagons and contracting out to big logistics firms,I.e tesco etc…
My company is small 4 trucks average money but very well treated and no one every leaves.
I see the same jobs advertised locally all the time,medium to large hauliers and logistics specialists that promise the customer every thing even if it’s not possible and push the driver to make this promise.
New starters often get there first job at one of these firms and a lot think if that’s the road haulage industry it’s not for me…
Money needs to go up yes,but certain firms need to change

Lucy:
talking to operators (and that’s something I do a lot of these days) they definitely can’t get the staff they want and need.

And have you asked them what they are doing to attract and retain drivers?
Have they improved pay? And if so by how much?
What else are they doing to improve the job? Do they still want 1 and half weeks work in a week?

Yes you can earn a decent wage in this game, but generally ONLY if you give up having a life outside of work… :cry:

There isn’t a shortage of drivers. There are, however, vacancies. Because they’re low paying, which uk based drivers can’t afford to do. I say uk based, as a lot of ee drivers have settled here, and can’t afford to do the job with the cost of living. There’s always been coming and going with the bed hopping economic tourists, but with the weakness of the pound against the euro, it’s more goings of recent times. As Harry said, when the wages increase, there will be an indication of a shortage. Until then, it’s just cowboys with no horses to ride.

I think that the rot set in in the late 60’s with the abolition of A B & C licences and the introduction of the Operators Licence.

Instead of having to prove a need for a service, it became a free for all with anyone and everyone applying for licences and having their application granted with very few questions asked. This has led to a continual cutting of rates and ultimately cutting of costs, wages and maintenance, being the main ones.

As time has gone by the genuine operators have given up as they wont drop their standards and this has led to more and more poor operators to take over. In some cases these new operators have no assets, the vehicles are leased as are their premises and they have cash flow problems. They run for a while and then disappear leaving unpaid debts and as always another one is waiting in the wings to take their place.

Lucy:
but talking to operators (and that’s something I do a lot of these days) they definitely can’t get the staff they want and need.

Who, please?

Would any of these operators be willing to come on and explain why…■■

I would genuinely like hear the reasons they are in such a predicament.

I cannot recall the last time I saw an ad for an actual job, must be a reason for that.

Everything is about supply and demand, there is no problems with the supply, none.

There is no driver shortage.

Londontrucker123:

Lucy:
but talking to operators (and that’s something I do a lot of these days) they definitely can’t get the staff they want and need.

Who, please?

Would any of these operators be willing to come on and explain why…■■

I would genuinely like hear the reasons they are in such a predicament.

I cannot recall the last time I saw an ad for an actual job, must be a reason for that.

Everything is about supply and demand, there is no problems with the supply, none.

There is no driver shortage.

We keep reading both here and in the press about the driver shortage but for some reason we never hear about a shortage of goods etc. in shops or fuel at petrol stations. I wonder why?

Years ago you either went hauling for a transport company, and enjoyed the relative freedoms that allowed, ie being more or less left to your own devices no one looking over you shoulder, with teh right lorry you could belt along at 70+ without a care in the world.
Or if you were lucky enough you got a start on a company carrying their own goods.
These would usually be a bit more regimental, sometimes the job wasn’t as well paid as you could earn on general but the work and hours you put in were nothing like, often there would be pensions and other benefits, on some jobs getting into the right own account or specialist meant you’d won the driver’s version of the pools.

The job was harder overall and required some nous, but the general haulage industry was more friendly then if that makes sense, so long as the job was done, you didn’t have any prangs, the customer was happy and you didn’t take the ■■■■ too much they more or less left you alone, those who ran you knew what they were doing, best days of lorry driving IMHO, satisfying too because it involved more than sitting behind a wheel and selecting D.

Fast forward, and the biggie is surveillance, i hate it, i don’t need spying on because i do a good job for my money and always have, if companies are stupid enough to recruit monkeys and pay them peanuts so be it, they reap what they sow, but lumping us all in with the monkeys has totally demoralised the better end of the driver pool, one size never has fitted all, it never will.
Job satisfaction too, dumbing the job down ever further and expecting time served competent staff to dumb down to an equivalent of brakes to slow gears to go one size fits all rubbish doesn’t give competent drivers satisfaction, it never will, it gets you cheap basically trained bums on seats and if thats what employers want there’s plenty of them out there flitting about from job to job leaving a trail of destruction in their wake.

Money is important but not the be all and end all, but even the standard general haulage outfits are spying on their workforce constantly, some otherwise useless brat is likely to be watching for you to make the slightest error, or stop somewhere for an extra pee or somewhere where they sell a decent bacon buttie, and said brat can’t wait to log it as another misdemeanor, which will then be questioned at debrief :unamused: :unamused: :unamused: :unamused: WTF is this debrief cobblers anyway, we didn’t abseil off the roof onto the balcony blow the windows in kill terrorists and rescue grateful hostages and receive notes with phone numbers from nubile admiring young ladies (if only), we delivered yet another lorry load of goods like we’ve been doing for nearly all of our lives, do get a grip people get over yourselves and stop with all this ■■■■■■■■.

There are still good jobs out there paying top money for reasonable workloads and up to a point if these high payers spy on you 24/7 and want to employ more chiefs than indians, well the extra pay offsets that, and these companies don’t suffer this driver shortage, you can put up with a lot of ■■■■■■■■ when your average hourly rate across the board is getting on for twice the norm.
Also there are still some smaller family type general haulage outfits about too, who whilst not being in a position to match the best for pay, still run things as old school as they can, spec proper lorries for their drivers and leave them to get on with their work without the spying, they don’t struggle to recruit cos they don’t have trouble retaining, as i said for many drivers money isn’t the be all and end all.

Companies who complain about driver shortage should look at why they find themselves in this position, it might not just be the money.

Never will be a driver shortage when firms can get EE bods on agency for less than a full timer will want.
More likely a full time driver shortage with most jobs advertised agency tat.

iomex:
I’ve heard of a driver at DPD who earns the fun side of 80k, but he drops ~200 parcels a day with 10 day weeks.

I can assure that is not correct, not even close. What’s a 10 day week anyway? Huh?

Any number you will have heard will be gross turnover anyway, before the usual deductions - cost or lease of van, fuel, tyres, accountant, etc.

It appears there’s a shortage of drivers. Whether that’s a shortage of “decent” drivers, experienced drivers, or drivers in general is another debate for another time, but talking to operators (and that’s something I do a lot of these days) they definitely can’t get the staff they want and need.

There’s a word for that /\ … … … … Bull[zb]it

Operators that can’t get the staff?

Example one: Operator wants HGV 1 +ADR (if poss). Up to 60 hrs a week [read, you will work 60 hrs a week!]. £24k

Example two: Operator wants HGV 2. Delivering coal round local area. Do deliveries, reload ready for next day. £7.65ph.

Guess what - neither of the above could fill the vacancies.
See if you can guess why!

Example three: Experienced driver [ADR, HIAB, 30+ yrs blemish free experience, blah, blah, blah] makes enquiries at Agency.
“Certainly Sir, start tomorrow, plenty work. We pay £8ph and £9.20 for overtime.”

Each of those examples is genuine (and, at time of writing, extant). Perhaps instead of promulgating the “there is a shortage of drivers” mantra, ask the operators what they are offering and ask the same operators what the Ts &Cs are. Perhaps someone should be pointing out to the Operators that there is not a shortage of drivers - what there is (and certainly in their case) is a shortage of drivers who are willing to work all the hours for a pittance!

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I’m guessing the operators in question aren’t advertising distance full load or at least few drop bulk collections/deliveries or direct trunking job and finish around 25k pa.New qualified drivers welcome. :bulb: