In or Out- the EU referendum mega thread

We have tried to keep this to Bully’s but having multiple threads posted each day in the main forum has led to an overload of work for the admin team.
so here is a thread which will run until after the vote, all discussions on this subject made from now
will be moved into this thread. here is your opportunity to have your say, and try to persuade other folks.

TruckNet UK and its parent company does not have an opinion on which way you should vote. Members of the admin team here can express their own opinions that should not be taken as any sort of endorsement by the website or company.

What we do encourage is all members to take up their right to vote , in what will probably be the most important vote of their lives.

In the words of Duncan Bannatyne…

I’m Out!

I even have a £500 bet on it at 6/4! £1250.00 if it happens!

Not quite what I meant, but I’m out to! :open_mouth:

In my humble opinion if the British voters decide to remain then the Meerkat in Germany and the clowns in Brussels will try to make our lives hell as if they haven’t done so enough already, the EU will fall apart so lets abandon the sinking ship while we still have the chance to regain or democracy and independence from the dictatorship that is the European Union.

raymundo:
In my humble opinion if the British voters decide to remain then the Meerkat in Germany and the clowns in Brussels will try to make our lives hell as if they haven’t done so enough already, the EU will fall apart so lets abandon the sinking ship while we still have the chance to regain or democracy and independence from the dictatorship that is the European Union.

+1

If a high ranking German threatening this nation isn’t enough to convince us to leave then I don’t know what is.

OUT OUT OUT.

Can all the other threads as well as the polls also be added to this thread :question:

ROG:
Can all the other threads as well as the polls also be added to this thread :question:

You mean all the threads together is better than one thread going it on its own?

ROG:
Can all the other threads as well as the polls also be added to this thread :question:

I wouldn’t have thought you’d be able to read it ROG, it would be so mixed up no-one would know who was replying to who :confused:

If a man says he can sell tractors in any country in the world, and he wants to leave, that’s telling you something.

If a man employs 90% foreign labour in his factories, and says he wants to remain, surely that’s telling you something.

Ossie

The question is when we’ve got ‘physicists’ that supposedly can’t ( don’t want to ) understand the definition of ‘net contributor’ and business people who think that a net exporter is going to impose trade sanctions against a net importer for the crime of seceding from a Federal government system.Is this country really worth voting for to save it from itself. :unamused:

Everything points to a country wanting to commit National suicide maybe as unstoppable karma for its imposition of similar on others and surrendering to The Conqueror’s and his Plantagenet successors’ Federal agenda. :frowning:

OssieD:
If a man says he can sell tractors in any country in the world, and he wants to leave, that’s telling you something.

If a man employs 90% foreign labour in his factories, and says he wants to remain, surely that’s telling you something.

Ossie

I don’t know if this has anything to do with that but was just reading jcb have been fined 36m by EU for breaking law.

Carryfast:
The question is when we’ve got ‘physicists’ that supposedly can’t ( don’t want to ) understand the definition of ‘net contributor’ and business people who think that a net exporter is going to impose trade sanctions against a net importer for the crime of seceding from a Federal government system.Is this country really worth voting for to save it from itself. :unamused:

Everything points to a country wanting to commit National suicide maybe as unstoppable karma for its imposition of similar on others and surrendering to The Conqueror’s and his Plantagenet successors’ Federal agenda. :frowning:

I don’t know if this is aimed towards me or not but I will bite.

What happens to a country that can only buy but not sell, can only import not export.

Also carry I have been told to ignore your posts, apparently that’s what everyone else does?

30bn wiped off shares today in 10 hrs supposedly down to Brexit fears. That’s 3.5 times annual cost of EU membership. 10 hrs.

alicks77:
30bn wiped off shares today in 10 hrs supposedly down to Brexit fears. That’s 3.5 times annual cost of EU membership. 10 hrs.

More likely because of the scaremongering by David Cameron and George Osborne.

alicks77:
30bn wiped off shares today in 10 hrs supposedly down to Brexit fears. That’s 3.5 times annual cost of EU membership. 10 hrs.

A lot of that may be people selling, only to buy back when they drop, and to watch them rise again. That’s one way markets get played.

alicks77:

Carryfast:
The question is when we’ve got ‘physicists’ that supposedly can’t ( don’t want to ) understand the definition of ‘net contributor’ and business people who think that a net exporter is going to impose trade sanctions against a net importer for the crime of seceding from a Federal government system.Is this country really worth voting for to save it from itself. :unamused:

Everything points to a country wanting to commit National suicide maybe as unstoppable karma for its imposition of similar on others and surrendering to The Conqueror’s and his Plantagenet successors’ Federal agenda. :frowning:

I don’t know if this is aimed towards me or not but I will bite.

What happens to a country that can only buy but not sell, can only import not export.

Also carry I have been told to ignore your posts, apparently that’s what everyone else does?

Why would it have been aimed at you when it was aimed at the zb wits on BBC questions tonight. :unamused:

If you hadn’t noticed we’re a country that is a net importer of EU products as an EU member.IE we’re ‘already’ ‘in’ the position of ‘what happens’ to a country which isn’t selling/exporting enough and is buying/importing too much.Let me guess you think that they’ll put tarrifs on their exports to us and thereby put themselves out of business.Or we won’t retaliate if they want to start a trade war by putting tarrifs on them thereby taxing them out of our market just the same.Or that we can even continue with the status quo of paying a fortune in net contributions for the privilege of an unsustainable trade deficit.

While you’re just spouting more of the same tired old remain campaign bs that we have to surrender the national interest and sovereignty to what is effectively the threat of economic sanctions.IE typical federal aggression against the nation state acting true to form.In which case,assuming you’re the majority, then as I said zb the country it isn’t worth trying to save let the EU Federation take it.Unfortunately leaving the issue to,hopefully more patriotic,future generations who’ll probably have to try to fight their way out of it.

Feel free to ignore my posts if you think that will help your bs case for remain. :unamused:

alicks77:
30bn wiped off shares today in 10 hrs supposedly down to Brexit fears. That’s 3.5 times annual cost of EU membership. 10 hrs.

Fears by who about supposedly exactly what.Let me guess the same ‘fears’ that Cameron wants to hit us with more austerity in an environment in which we actually get loads more revenues kept at home which are currently going to support the zb EU in the form of our net contributions.

bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_aud … s/36536058 :grimacing:

Why we may remain even if we vote Leave
Anthony Hilton:

Back in 1975, the last time we had a referendum on whether we should continue to be a member of the European Union, the Government spelled out in advance that it would not necessarily do what the people decided.

The Labour government of Harold Wilson made it clear the referendum was advisory — the ultimate opinion poll if you like — but that “the British parliament in Westminster retains the final right to repeal the Act which took us into the Market on January 1, 1973”.

People seem not to understand that this is still the case. The referendum next week is not binding and the result does not constitute a final irrevocable decision either way. People talk about notifying the EU of our intention to leave and then having two years to organise it, but that is not the core issue either. If we are to leave the EU, it will take a fully fledged Act of Parliament to do so. It is hard to see how a notice to quit under Article 50 could be served, given it sets that process in train without the agreement of Parliament.

But that should have to go through the Commons and the Lords, plus all the committee stages, just like any other Act of Parliament. That is a big ask for a Tory Government with a majority of only 14. It is one of the ironies of the campaign that the Brexiteers bang on constantly about Parliament’s loss of sovereignty and claim all our laws are made in Brussels. It is a lie because, as they may yet find out, the British Parliament has retained more than enough sovereignty to thwart their plans and ignore the referendum result.

The British Parliament is sovereign and it is accountable to the people — but through elections at which we choose those whom we want to represent us, not through referendums. To rub in the point, Members of Parliament are representatives, not delegates, the difference being they are there to decide what in their judgment is good for us and the country, not simply to do what we say. That is why we do not have capital punishment, which was abolished in the Sixties although a clear majority of the population remained in favour of it. A civil war was fought and a king beheaded to establish that sovereignty; it is not something that can be set aside at the whim of a Boris.

The interesting thing is that the 650 members of the House of Commons are overwhelmingly in favour of staying in. How overwhelming? Well Brian Reading, for many years one of the team at Lombard Street Research, has done the sums and published them on the website of Omfif, the financial think-tank. He thinks the Conservatives are 50% for remain, 40% for out and 10% unknown.

On the Labour side, remain is supported by 215 members, leave by seven and there are 10 unknown. In percentage terms, that makes 93% in favour of staying, against 3% for leaving.

The 56 Scottish Nationalists and the eight Liberals are overwhelmingly for remain but the views of the Welsh and Northern Irish members are more mixed. Nevertheless, the overall picture is clear. Reading concludes that the MPs are 70% in favour of remaining with 20% wanting to leave and 10% whose preferences are unknown. That does not sound far off the mark.

So what will Parliament do in the event of a referendum vote for Brexit? Reading suggests it will depend very much on the size of the majority and the turnout. If the vote was 60 to 40 to leave on a turnout of 80%, MPs might feel obliged to support a Bill for exiting because there was so much popular support.

But if the vote was 51 to 49 on a turnout of 50%, they could legitimately argue that only just over 25% of the population had actively supported Brexit, and supporting a Bill to leave would be too big a step to take on the basis of such thin support. So, even if he wanted to, David Cameron could not get such a bill through the Commons, let alone the Lords. Prime Minister Boris Johnson, if he were to topple Cameron, would have even less chance.

So how might this be resolved? One obvious tactic would be for Cameron to accept the Brexit vote and undertake to begin negotiations for withdrawal without actually triggering the formal mechanism that sets the two-year clock ticking. As these negotiations proceed, people will gradually get a better idea of what Brexit might mean in practice and it is a fair bet if the negotiations are tough that they might begin to have some doubts as to what they had signed up to.

Even if they like the romantic idea of swimming in the wide open sea, they might not want to jump off Beachy Head to get into the water.

Once there was a clear idea of what leaving would look like, it might be legitimate to go back to the country and ask, via another referendum, whether people still wanted to do this. And who knows what that result would be.

Perhaps the only real conclusion is that, far from settling the issue, this referendum is most likely to make things worse. A Remain vote is not going to convince the Tories that they should work more constructively and enthusiastically with the EU; a Leave vote may not achieve that result either. These past few weeks have entrenched prejudices far more than they have opened minds.