What do you think about the CPC in its present form, good or bad?
Done
done also ,second one down.
I can’t fit my opinions to your answers. I think it’s a fundamentally good idea, but very badly done.
BTW I’m sure that an existing operator’s CPC doesn’t give an exemption for driver’s CPC.
Biscuits:
I can’t fit my opinions to your answers. I think it’s a fundamentally good idea, but very badly done.BTW I’m sure that an existing operator’s CPC doesn’t give an exemption for driver’s CPC.
I fully agree with your comments and you are 100% correct about the operator CPC
“A licence for trainers to print money” - your poll is sadly flawed - trainers didn’t invent Driver CPC - it’s an EU directive which we all(including trainers ) have to adhere to, whether we agree or not, and yes I am a trainer
chevmac:
Biscuits:
I can’t fit my opinions to your answers. I think it’s a fundamentally good idea, but very badly done.BTW I’m sure that an existing operator’s CPC doesn’t give an exemption for driver’s CPC.
I fully agree with your comments and you are 100% correct about the operator CPC
“A licence for trainers to print money” - your poll is sadly floored - trainers didn’t invent Driver CPC - it’s an EU directive which we all(including trainers ) have to adhere to, whether we agree or not, and yes I am a trainer
I think you will find it is a poll to get the “Drivers” opinions. 
johnno:
chevmac:
Biscuits:
I can’t fit my opinions to your answers. I think it’s a fundamentally good idea, but very badly done.BTW I’m sure that an existing operator’s CPC doesn’t give an exemption for driver’s CPC.
I fully agree with your comments and you are 100% correct about the operator CPC
“A licence for trainers to print money” - your poll is sadly floored - trainers didn’t invent Driver CPC - it’s an EU directive which we all(including trainers ) have to adhere to, whether we agree or not, and yes I am a trainer
I think you will find it is a poll to get the “Drivers” opinions.
Sorry did I miss that in the title- no don’t think so 
Its a load of bllx 
chevmac:
Biscuits:
I can’t fit my opinions to your answers. I think it’s a fundamentally good idea, but very badly done.BTW I’m sure that an existing operator’s CPC doesn’t give an exemption for driver’s CPC.
I fully agree with your comments and you are 100% correct about the operator CPC
“A licence for trainers to print money” - your poll is sadly floored - trainers didn’t invent Driver CPC - it’s an EU directive which we all(including trainers ) have to adhere to, whether we agree or not, and yes I am a trainer
I think you might mean “flawed”,secondly it doesnt say that it wasnt an EU thing he just means the training schools are rubbing their hands with glee ,cos the easy money some of them are going to make.thats how i read it anyway.
im sure wheelnut will correct me if im wrong.
chevmac:
johnno:
chevmac:
Biscuits:
I can’t fit my opinions to your answers. I think it’s a fundamentally good idea, but very badly done.BTW I’m sure that an existing operator’s CPC doesn’t give an exemption for driver’s CPC.
I fully agree with your comments and you are 100% correct about the operator CPC
“A licence for trainers to print money” - your poll is sadly floored - trainers didn’t invent Driver CPC - it’s an EU directive which we all(including trainers ) have to adhere to, whether we agree or not, and yes I am a trainer
I think you will find it is a poll to get the “Drivers” opinions.
Sorry did I miss that in the title- no don’t think so
Fair enough 
I think we can guess which is your vote 
Im all for training im of the opinion that you never stop learning. However this training has major flaws in it. You cant fail and you could sit the same module five times and get the ticket.
The training should cover say three modules to cover the basics of all driving then two modules that could be more job specific.
sticks out like a sore thumb Johnno 
For what it’s worth I will give you my opinion.
The Driver CPC is generally a good idea - as with any job things change and it can only be beneficial to be kept up to date.
Do I think it has been implemented well - answer NO
Reasons
If compulsary training is to be carried out it should be to a set scheme - that would stop any nonsence courses being delivered
It should be monitored and assessed to ensure that trainers are suitably experienced and qualified to deliver it
More should be vehicle based where drivers are allowed to show how good(or bad 
) they are at their job
The onus should not be on the driver to complete/pay for the training
I’m not here to be drawn into a never ending “trainer/driver” slanging match - I have been there and done the job - I am now a trainer and will deliver whatever courses I deem will make my company survive hard times for us all
chevmac:
Do I think it has been implemented well - answer NO
ReasonsIf compulsary training is to be carried out it should be to a set scheme - that would stop any nonsence courses being delivered
It should be monitored and assessed to ensure that trainers are suitably experienced and qualified to deliver it
More should be vehicle based where drivers are allowed to show how good(or bad
The onus should not be on the driver to complete/pay for the training
A good, fair and honest opinion
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Is it really that bad, you cant even vote
kr79:
However this training has major flaws in it. You cant fail
You can guarantee that if there was a test then you’d get an element of drivers complaining that “Truck driving is a hands-on job and drivers shouldn’t be expected to do any kind of academics!”. For every one who currently says there should be a test, I bet you could equally find one who says there shouldn’t be!
I did my CPC Freight National recently (and got all my DCPC hours ticked off in the process). The trainer asked for a show of hands of the people who had a LGV license, and a sea of hands shot up. Then he asked who had any formal drivers hours training, and of course no one had. That kind of brings it home; if you want people to be doing something it makes sense that they should be trained to do it. Yes, experience and learning by doing etc. but we’ve all chatted to an ‘experienced’ driver in a waiting room (or read some posts on TNUK) and thought that was a guy who needs to learn a bit more to keep himself out of trouble. Would you like to be on a plane where the pilot had done his basic pilot’s license and then learnt the rest as he went along?
But if that is the question then DCPC in it’s present form isn’t the answer. What point is ‘training’ when there is no testing or syllabus and the trainee can spend all his time staring out the window? And where there is no acknowledgement of past training (how can my CPC TM’s course count as 35 hours DCPC but an existing CPC holder’s doesn’t)? And where a trainer can start to operate with no official assessment of their ability to provide quality training?
I can’t really vote either 
I’ve nothing against the principle of vocational training and don’t think the DCPC Periodic Training is a bad idea but the way it’s been implemented makes it a nonsense in my opinion.
Even the name “Driver Certificate of Professional Competence” is a joke, you attend a course being run by a trainer who may or may not be competent to do the job and you get a nice certificate to hang on the wall that implies that you’ve been trained to a professional level, problem is that no-one knows if the trainer has bothered to learn what he/she is teaching, presumably because JAUPT either have no interest in finding out or are themselves not professionally competent to do so
tachograph:
I can’t really vote eitherI’ve nothing against the principle of vocational training and don’t think the DCPC Periodic Training is a bad idea but the way it’s been implemented makes it a nonsense in my opinion.
Even the name “Driver Certificate of Professional Competence” is a joke, you attend a course being run by a trainer who may or may not be competent to do the job and you get a nice certificate to hang on the wall that implies that you’ve been trained to a professional level, problem is that no-one knows if the trainer has bothered to learn what he/she is teaching, presumably because JAUPT either have no interest in finding out or are themselves not professionally competent to do so
I think you have made a good point about how many of us feel. The DCPC is solely an attendance course unlike a 16 year old taking a CBT for his moped.
The Operator CPC is apparently equivalent to NVQ 3 or A level yet is useless to a lorry driver who wants to continue working. So my views on Jaupt havent changed, my views on extra driver training are the same. Nurses and teachers have refresher courses, so should we, but with pass/fail and a percentage of failures
I couldn’t vote as there wasn’t a ‘I don’t care’ option.
Work will be paying for it and I’ll get paid while I am doing it so that’s fine.
If circumstances change and I work somewhere were they don’t pay for it I’ll get a dodgy one for the a few quid so again that’s fine. It’s not worth getting bothered about as far as I see it.